The end Game PLD role in Melee burn parties?

[Elesirdur]

Re: The end Game PLD role in Melee burn parties?

csBahamut makes a really good suggestion about gear. At least having a defensive set of gear (Vit and Enmity) as well as a DD set is a big bonus in TP-spam parties. If the pt is in trouble you can gear-swap back to your defensive set immedieatly and hold hate to save others. Then when things even out just go back DD and you're back to normal. I don't have a NIN sub but when I can get a burn pt together with linkmate I'm always happy to be able to keep hate under control and be able to hold it if things get bad in the party. Without /WAR you lose voke and a lot of other good abilities that allow you to DD as well as hold enmity and keep a party safe.

PLD/WAR is a nice saftey net in a burn pt. You can still do decent damage when compared to /NIN and can support as well as tank and DD.

[Aeni]

Re: The end Game PLD role in Melee burn parties?

PLD/NIN. Get a good greatsword and some attack gear and pretend you're a DD (I joke, but actually Paladins turn out quite good damage with a greatsword). You won't be tanking in a burn party anyway, and you can offer backup cures too.


Icemage

PLD/THF (I remember this thread at KI a while ago)

I think if I recall, imac2much defeated Maat with a greatsword and spinning slash. He beat G5 in a way most PLDs wouldn't even consider (That's about 99.9% of the PLDs out there)

2) drk/nin with scythe > drk/nin with axes, typically. the 20ish inherent acc/attack advantage is just too profound. big delay weapons get big tp so it all comes out even. However, dual wielding stat bonuses are absurd. no 2 handed weapon has even 1/3rd the stat boosts that a Juggernaught has (short of relic), let alone pairing the juggy with a high damage main hand for stupid high damage.

We're talking strictly high end or in general? DRK/NIN w/ dual axes rule Ballista (I can attest to this, ranking as top DRK in a lot of the matches I enter in many different caps) DRK/NIN > DRK/WAR in Royal Jellies. The delay is just too profound to ignore and dual weapons + souleater > one big slow swing.

In end game, with the right gear, DRK/NIN can pull even with DRK/WAR if given the right situation. Otherwise, I agree that DRK/WAR still can pull out bigger numbers if they load up on a lot of DEX and STR (For the crits, because the crits are where the bigger numbers come from on DPS performance)

[Lmnop]

Re: The end Game PLD role in Melee burn parties?

We're talking strictly high end or in general? DRK/NIN w/ dual axes rule Ballista (I can attest to this, ranking as top DRK in a lot of the matches I enter in many different caps) DRK/NIN > DRK/WAR in Royal Jellies. The delay is just too profound to ignore and dual weapons + souleater > one big slow swing.

My comment was designed towards exp parties at pretty much all level ranges.

To get a little more specific: levels 50-56 dual axes are pretty decent with dual vikings if you're a super acc freak. You'd end up with higher acc than you could ever attain with your A rank weapons but you'd lose berserk and double attack so I think in order to perform best, you'd have to eat meat dishes. But if you're eating meat dishes, you may as well do /war + scythe and just make some gear changes or eat sushi. However, I think shadows make this combo acceptable, since you don't lose much damage but gain a billion points of survivability.

Levels 56-59, Rampage + souleater + shadows to make sure you don't die during SE. e.e But level 60, you have Guillotine and Vikings' base DMG of 36 is pretty sad.

level 40 drk/nin: your delay with dual axes=scythe delay (no shit, you end up with around an 8-20 delay difference). You're right that souleater gets double effect in that time though. since instead of hitting once for [theoretical easy numbers] 100 + souleater damage, it's 50 + souleater + 50 + souleater. But you know all about that 'cuz you're a DRK.

Honestly though, I bring war/mnk to that BC with Greataxe and out of 30-40 runs, I have yet to see the princess jellies form together to make that queen jelly or whatever. (not all of those runs were war/mnk, but I do find it to be best. Blinking is a waste of time so /nin is useless and SA isn't reliable enough considering how much i'm bound so /mnk benefits ftw).