HNM Tanking Gear

[ZQM]

Some notes, this equipment is for WARRIOR tanking, not PALADIN tanking. Why put it in the Paladain forum? Because there's several high level PLDs here and WAR only had one I can think of, and PLDs know more about HNM tanking then WARs would. This is also pure HNM tanking, not EXP mobs.

Although I doubt I'll be asked to tank considering the NINs and PLDs, you never know (And I'd bug my LS to let me tank the weak HNMs since tanking is a lot funner then being a damage dealer). And since my server is currently going under maitence, I was just browsing through equipment.

Also a note, my server currently doesn't have the NA power to take out HNMs that drop cursed gear (Fafnir was taken out by a NA LS for the first time last night, nevermind Nidhog) or Dynamis runs. We're goign to try the weaker Dynamis' soon, but I'd rather be planning on gear I know I can get. There's LSs that can take out the weaker Gods, but my current LS hasn't tried yet (we're going to get Genbu pop items later tonight and try him out soon, so hopefully we'll start fighting the Gods). And this is assuming that money isn't that big of an issue...but I don't mean to spend millions of gil on just one piece.

Head:
1) Adaman Armet for the +2 Emnity
2) Panzer Mask for the +Haste for lower Utsusemi timer and +5 CHR for *possible* stronger provoke.
3) Tiger Mask for the +5 VIT and +20 HP (But 1 less DEF the two above).

Body:
Adaman Cuirass had 5 more DEF then WAR AF, but WAR AF has 1 more VIT, 5 more emnity, and and +20 HP. So I'm going to assume WAR AF is better.

But if the DEF on Adaman Cuirass DOES make it better, then should I go with Heavy Cuirass (13 more DEF the AF)?

Hands:
Adaman Gauntlets have the best stats, but shoudl I wear WAR AF if I equip a shield? (more on shield later).

Legs:
Adaman Cuisses hands down.

Feet:
Adaman Sabatons has the stats to let me take less damage, but would WAR AF be better for hate keeping (Double Attack up)?

Neck:
Again taking less versus hate keeping....Iron Musketeer's Gorget or Royal Guard's Collar.

Ear1:
Suppanomimi

Ear2:
Soldier's Earring as I'm sure I'll be in latent a lot? Drone Earring for the agi? Or one of the several HP earings?

Ring1:
Jelly Ring

Ring2:
Vit vs DEF...I see this argued a lot for EXP parties, but I've never seen anything regarding it on HNMs. So some insight would be appreciated.

Belt:
I'm assuming Life Belt considering the fact that basically none of my other equipment is +ACC? Or would Ocean Sash be better?

Back:
Beak Mantle+1

Weapons Main:
Again, hate keeping vs taking less damage....Woodvilles vs Tabarzin. And I'm guessing the Spell interruption rate down 5% on Woodvilles is pointless on HNMs?

Weapons second:
Would Joyeuse give too much TP to mob? I currently don't have one so I haven't tested it out yet, but my static PT is going to camp him for 3 days strait and get one for me, the other WAR, and the BRD. If it gives too much TP, then deffinatly Tabarzin.

Shield:
Yet again, hate keeping vs getting hit for less. Do WARs normally use them, or dual wield weapons? I've never seen a high level WAR with a shield, but I also haven't seen a high level WAR tanking.

Or will I always be using Earth Staff?

Sorry for yet another what equipment to get thread, but I've been away from tanking for too long and was hoping to get the opinions of experienced tankers. Thank you for your time.

[Rogan]

(And I'd bug my LS to let me tank the weak HNMs since tanking is a lot funner then be

wow you are one of few wars I've seen on our servers that prefer tanking to damage dealing lol, some wars won't even join my party unless they can go as a DD

[ZQM]

I wouldn't join an EXP PT to tank, WARs are horrible EXP tanks.

Infact I doubt I'd even tank the harder HNMs. Mobs like Serket and Roc though would be like tanking a DC monster.

[Demetrios]

WAR/NIN seems like a pretty ghetto tank IMO. You don't have the evasion to evade any hits of the higher lvl HNM, but you are a decent tank on the old school ones where you can deal damage.


For HNMs that you can accutaly hit... these seems like decent tanking gear

Juggernaught + Ridill
Optical Hat
Scorpion Harness
Dusk Gloves
Byakko Haidate
AF Feet
Life Belt
Royal Guard Collar
STR Rings / Sniper Rings
Amemit Mantle +1
Bomb Core
Dodge Earrings? Evasion doesn't help, maybe Pigeon Earrings

[PaladinsArc]

The leader of my LS is a 75 WAR/NIN... He tanks Genbu w/ np and we don't have to worry about throwing the Enwater thing at him.

From what I see, he builds up 300% and spirits within (for 822 damage I think... damn Galkas) and that's the "initial hate." He uses AF + Genbu's Kabuto, pigeon earrings, juggernaut and some sword... I don't really pay much attention to his gear. If you're a 74+ WAR/NIN, you shouldn't get hit anyways with haste + marchx2.

-Arc~

[falloutboy14]

I don't have many answers for you, but here are a few:

1 - Vit > Def definately, I think it was the body where you were having this debate.

2 - HP > Vit My understanding is that with HNM's, unless you get crazy amounts of +Vit (like +35 or more) you won't put a large dent in damage you're being dealt. The earrings are a good HP slot, as well as back (behemoth mantle) and waist ( the RSE belts), there's also a ring that gives 75hp. Essentially if you can get +100hp or more, you're less likely do die, then if you were to add 6-10 vit, make sense?

3 - I'm not entirely sure how you're going to hold hate. I don't know much about war hate holding at higher lvls, but without magic, I'm guessing it comes largely from damage. This means the following:

A - Earth staff would be questionable. I don't konw of many Staff WSs that are very effective.

B - You're going to miss a lot. As a pld, I have ACC +14 (life belt and the lvl 55 collar) and I still miss a fair amount on XP mobs, let alost HNMs. ON HNMs most paladins simply give up on trying to hit it at any consistancy, and go to magic/abilities to hold hate.

4 - I believe ninja has a passive ability subtle blow, which basically reduces the TP gained from their attacks. This may allow you to equip double attacking weapons without as much danger. Don't know how much impact it would have specifically myself though.

I've never tanked an HNM myself, only read about it here. So if someone with more experience then me has any input, go with that.

[Darkedge]

MNK have the passive ability sublte blow. =/

I've seen WAR/NIN tank with Axe/Shied (Utsusesmi as main armor, Shield as backup) though, I don't know if that would be effective against HNM though. I'm a lowbie noob to ya guys (41whm..)