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**Impmacaque** · 06-26-2004, 09:37 PM

Neck: Royal Guard's Collar > Iron Musketeer's Gorget

q: with +accuracy I'm more accurate when I hit and to hit = to activate the equip enmty bonus and helps to have the hate.

a: Royal's Guards Collar acc+ isn't a large enough amount to make it better than the HP+ and Vit+ IM.G gives you, both of which Hume Pld lack in small amounts at L70+.

LV66:

Sword: Gluttony Sword > Espadon+1

q: could be ok if I sell the Gluttony to buy a new Espadon+1?

a: Keep your Gluttony Sword. Espadon+1 just isn't as good. The +Mnd, +Atk stats are useless for Pld, so what you're left with is a lower delay, same base damage, and 4 less vit. Gluttony gets 8 TP on average a swing, while Espadon+1 gets 6. When you look at those figures, your TP gain is actually pretty much the same unless the battle goes on long enough.

LV70:

Sword: Espadon+1 > Company Sword

q: is better to have the hidden effect of Company (more damage when there are more member in the PT) or to have the VIT and MND bonus of Espadon+1?

a: I don't know why people go for Company Sword. It's useless for anything other than exp, even at which point I don't like the concept of losing the +7 vit of my glut. Especially since at L70 - 75 you're damage isn't significant, the Renkei will usually take out the mob before you make noticable damage.

LV72:

Rings: 2 Chrysoberyl Ring > 2 Topaz Ring

q: one PLD says to me that is better to have a Jelly Ring. It's not a problem that "+5% magic damage taken" it has?

a: That +5% Magic is truely insignificant. You'll rarely be hit by magic anyways, it's rare to see enemies that bother to cast, and even rarer to see them succesfully pull a spell off. If you have Jelly Ring, use it.

LV73:

Head: AF > AF

q: I think Gallant Coronet is better than Adaman Armet no?

a: No, Gallant Coronet is not nearly as good as Adaman Armet. Adaman Armet Modifies Vit, gives you the same HP gain, and a healthy +12 MP. You can live without enhanced cover.

Body: AF > Adaman Cuirass

a: I don't see why people make this change in all honesty. Having taken a look at the AF piece, it's pretty much the same as Adaman Body; except for the fact that it has lower defense, 8 less MP, and 4 less MND. You get the same +4 Vit, and +20 HP which makes it superior in my eyes.

Hands: AF > Adaman Gauntlets

a: Yes.

Legs: AF > Adaman Cuisses

a: Yes.

Feet: AF > Adaman Sabatons

a: Yes.

q: Adaman equip gives more DEF, more VIT, MP but less HP...

a: The HP loss is nullified by the RSE belt and Behemoth Mantle. You don't lose that much since the Adaman Armet and Adaman Sabatons both have HP+.

Earring: 2 Drone Earring > 2 Pigeon Earring / 1 Pigeon Earring & 1 Mercenary's Earring (Latent Effect VIT+2)

q: ...that's why I think to buy 2 Pigeon Earring could be the best way to choose.

a: I'm currently using one Merc. Earring and One pidgeon earring. The Merc. Earring Vit+ is just handy to me, I like to try and stack as much vit as possible. I may trade it in soon though, since the vit+ isn't THAT significant. Either combination works fine though.

**Cautery Kun** · 06-27-2004, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Impmacaque
CUT

Thank you so much for your advice!!!

- Now I think @ LV70 I'll try to get a Jelly Ring and a Dainslaif to have a sword with less delay when I farm or I play in solo.
I won't switch to Espadon+1 or Company Sword!

- I'll sell my Royal Guard' Collar to buy an Iron Musketeer's Gorget (in the future coz now on Ragnarok the price of this item is at 220k Â°_Â°) and a Life Belt to use it when I'm in the renkei.

- Pidgeon + Mercenary / Topaz + Jelly / Full Adaman Equip / Ocean Sash / Admiral Shield LV69 > Koenig Shield LV73 are the equip I'm sure I'll buy!

Thanks and cya!

**Akimatu** · 06-28-2004, 09:19 AM

the +4 VIT from Gluttony Over Espadon +1 seems like over hype to most. Decide which is best for you.

**Akimatu** · 06-28-2004, 09:19 AM

Double Posted. Edited.

**Akimatu** · 06-28-2004, 09:19 AM

All the other stuff is basically a must if you want to be a good paladin.

**janeping** · 06-28-2004, 09:22 AM

Impmacaque has some pretty good points and I agree with most of them. Here's some different point of view I see the same topic:

1. Espadon+1 combine with enmity gear will give you better hate than using gluttony after level 70. Espadon+1 has a much lower delay so the more you swing, the more you connect the more hate you'll have from your enmity gear.

2. The reason to get Adaman body piece is to complete the look + the extra enmity it provides. You will gain 5 def, 4mnd, and 1 extra enmity. To me, the loss of 20 hp is big but the whole set adaman gear gain (def, vit, enmity), it's worth it.

**Cautery Kun** · 06-28-2004, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by janeping

1. Espadon+1 combine with enmity gear will give you better hate than using gluttony after level 70. Espadon+1 has a much lower delay so the more you swing, the more you connect the more hate you'll have from your enmity gear.

Gluttony: +VIT = - damage taken

Espadon+1: + hit = to activate enmty bonus = + hate

Which is better? :spin:

**Tabish** · 06-28-2004, 12:31 PM

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Personally I would have all of the gear.

I outfit myself with most acc and attack gear I can get if im in the renkei, cause faster you get tp faster you get renkei off = faster MB = dead mob ^^. Just makes exp faster overall.

When your talking about swords I would get a joyeuse at lvl 70. I went from lvl 72-75 making ghetto light in KRT with sam > savage blade light and x2 blms in the PT. TP gain on the joyeuse is insane, you get it about as fast as a sam using med.

I switch to vit gear when im not included in the renkei and turtle myself to take as little dmg as possible. Less mp used = more chains and in all more exp.

really everything just matters on your PT set up and how you want to operate.

Even for HNMs and stuff I made a "melee" macro to equip all acc and joyeuse to get tp super fast for spirits then I switch to "tank" macro (earth staff and all vit equipment) after I spirits, faster then manually switching gear in equipment.

**JP_Ikari** · 06-28-2004, 02:15 PM

Re: =\

Originally posted by Tabish

I switch to vit gear when im not included in the renkei and turtle

Hehe, sounds like a player of a fighting game.

, at any rate if ya'll wondering why i said that, in a fighting game, being a turtle means you're being too defensive

Ikari

**janeping** · 06-29-2004, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Cautery Kun
Gluttony: +VIT = - damage taken

Espadon+1: + hit = to activate enmty bonus = + hate

Which is better? :spin:

If +30 VIT isn't enough in xp pt for you, and you have to use the extra 4 VIT you gained from using Gluttony sword, I wonder what you are fighting :p

**Impmacaque** · 06-30-2004, 10:54 PM

If +30 VIT isn't enough in xp pt for you, and you have to use the extra 4 VIT you gained from using Gluttony sword, I wonder what you are fighting

Right now I'm at +41 vit, and I do see myself being able to take damage just as well without the +4 vit from gluttony, if I needed to exp at some point. Then again, you've also got to consider the uselessness of Espadon+1 for Hnms. I'd much rather use gluttony, if pressed to use a sword (earth staff over both for hnms if you have it), since smacking Hnms around with your low delay weap = giving the Hnm TP = [death].

As for adaman body piece; you look annoyingly ugly with the mix-n'-match AF body - Adaman Eq hybrid. That reason alone was enough to get me to purchase the adaman body, despite AF being ::slightly:: better staistically. The Behemoth mantle covers HP loss through that switch, and RSE belt covers the HP loss from the AF > Adaman switch. Since the above-mentioned EQs aren't particularly cheap, if anything I'd buy the adaman body piece last. Koenig Shield + RSE belt should take priority, as they give extremely notifable benefits (you'll have to put up with looking hideous for a few levels though, your call.)

**TheBruce** · 07-01-2004, 12:36 AM

"Then again, you've also got to consider the uselessness of Espadon+1 for Hnms. I'd much rather use gluttony, if pressed to use a sword (earth staff over both for hnms if you have it), since smacking Hnms around with your low delay weap = giving the Hnm TP = [death]."

Shit, one of our whm uses a Kraken on fafnir when hes bored. He never really hits lol, but giving monsters extra tp isn't usually a big deal I've found. If your having to worry about the extra tp your giving hnm's, your not fighting them correctly imho.

Gluttony is a bad choice post 66. You gain more hate with an espadon +1, actually a good deal more hate, you gain tp quicker if you're involved in skill chains, and the + vit is negligible.
You only really start seeing improvements in vit when your dealing with increments of 10 vit. And for hnm's your either using an earth staff for damage reduction or a sword designed to give you tp for spirits within, i.e. Hrotti which has good enough damage to do more than 0's when you connect with defender on. Obviously if you don't have a hrotti I recommend another high damage 1h sword, or a joyeuse which will still gain tp even though you'll post a lot of 0's when you connect. Gluttony is ok, but anytime you are using it to tank hnm's an earth staff would be 10x better.

And adaman bp is basically a money sink for looks.

**Somajan** · 07-01-2004, 01:00 AM

I remember when I bought a mercenary's earring. I was using 2 drone earrings before, and began to notice that I was getting hit for a lot more, but damage wasn't reduced by a whole lot.

I've come to thing that def and vit must run hand in hand for it to show any sort of big damage reduction.

When I switched to a gluttony sword, then I noticed a significant damage reduction(maybe cause it bumped me past +20 vit), but I still plan on sticking with an Espadon, cause more hits = more hate, Even a Joyeuse would be nice too.

And to whomever said that MND doesn't help, I was able to find that by increasing my MND by 3 points, I could tack on a few more points into my cures, which also provide another outlet of hate.

About that IM Gorget, get one as quickly as possible. Losing a point of vit for 15 hp and 4 defense is definitely worth it. I use it now, but still keep my medieval collar for emergencies.

For my skillchains, though, I use a somewhat complicated macro, I keep an Amemit Mantle in my bag, and an RG collar. Those things I switch in using equipment macros right before I unleash my weaponskills. This technique has helped quite a bit, and once the animation is over, I just switch back to my Rep. Army Mantle and Irn Msk. Gorget.

Just for another question, is there any exp party implications for the Joyeuse and / or Dainslaf?

**BrotherRaven** · 07-01-2004, 10:44 AM

I don't want to turn this into a Gluttony vs Espadon +1 debate.

But I am all for the Espadon +1 also.

Right now I run with 17 emnity:

Kaiser Shield: 4
AF: 8
Mermaid Ring: 2
Fenrir Cape: 3

And even when I am PLD/NIN running with just Sword & Shield I can hold hate pretty well with just Flash and Abilities.

Adaman is pretty nice and if you have the Gil, I'd say go for it. But it isn't as make-or-break as some people assume.

Now one big question I have always had is this:
We all know that you dont gain any TP from doing 0 dmg but do you proc your emnity for doing 0 damage? My experiences tell me yes you do but I would love to hear some alternate opinions on this.

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