Can PLD Solo >?

[xRyuujinx]

Im so tired of "having" to join a group for good exp.
I want to be able to solo well.

From what I can tell Paladin seem to get some pretty nice skills and attributes that, from the looks of it, could hold up to most things on their own.

But im no Paladin, just hoping to be one soon....
I was wondering if any experinced paladins could tell me wether or not they could solo without too much down time?

[Arnda]

You can solo to 15 ridiculously quickly.

After that, you party. That's what you DO in this game. That's what Paladins are GOOD at. If that's not what you want... well... sorry. That's what the job does.

[Hem]

I Think i leveled up a few times since i jioned, but from my experience(as seen by looking my profile) From being a Paladin and trying to solo is...

Decent Matches...Really o.O, these will be a LONG boring battle, forcing me to use Mp to survive.

Easy Prey....i most likely need Mp to Survive but they take like 200-300hp(i had about 716 at the time, i was Gil farming, which is pretty much the same as soloing)...so that would require, A) use Mp to Heal or B)sit and heal....

after i used the Mp, i'd probably
A)Fight the Next Monster and rest
B) Sit for the Mp i just used.

Because Paladin's don't deal much damage, battles last a pretty long time, although the monsters don't really hurt you....

so really, for the 17-25 exp....its in no way worth it....

WE CAN SOLO, just its Boring, each monster requires a long time to defeat, and we'll have to rest every two-three fights.

[Hem]

sorry to double post but it seems that i cannot find an edit option :sweat: ...well from what you can understand in my post, should be able to show you why paladins shouldn't solo

[Arnda]

Originally posted by Hem
Because Paladin's don't deal much damage, battles last a pretty long time, although the monsters don't really hurt you....

so really, for the 17-25 exp....its in no way worth it....

WE CAN SOLO, just its Boring, each monster requires a long time to defeat, and we'll have to rest every two-three fights.

Pretty much right on, and don't worry, I only get three-four fights before a rest, even with the extra MP. :p

You can level off EPs. They give exp, after all, and any progress is progress. But it just isn't worth it compared to a PT. However, something Hem just pointed out that's pretty key, is that you CAN pick up some OK experience while hunting for gil, since generally EPs aren't a huge problem even if you get two on you. In the late 20s/early 30s (as a WAR, anyway) I was getting modest exp from Ghelsba, just farmin' away for quests, cash, and a key.

But as he also said, we don't exactly dish out that much damage. Slower kill = more enemy attacks and WS = more damage taken (even with our mitigatory abilities) = more damage to heal. It's certainly not impossible (I do it way better than my WAR self did it), but don't expect to level alone.

...unless you're a BST.

[asushiman]

I agree with Hem. Paladins can solo but it just takes time killing stuff for a mere 17-25xp. Especially in the 50s, Easy preys could kill you even with adequate equipment and you really have to squeeze your MP to beat these guys. But i tell you this tho, Paladins could beat the crap out of any easy prey monsters or decent challenge monsters at 50s than any job except BST without using any special techniques. My 52 PLD can beat Mimas (NM on top of Defkutt tower) easily while i have to use my 2hr with my 52 DRK.

[xRyuujinx]

Originally posted by asushiman
But i tell you this tho, Paladins could beat the crap out of any easy prey monsters or decent challenge monsters at 50s than any job except BST without using any special techniques. My 52 PLD can beat Mimas (NM on top of Defkutt tower) easily while i have to use my 2hr with my 52 DRK.

Well, I guess that gives me some kinda of hope....
I use to play Ragnarok so partying was never a big part of that game.
Most of the big part of these games is becoming good enough to take down the big beast for the good items....

[Hem]

Because i'm defensive of my Galka Paladin...

I can solo more than 2-3 three easies in a row, because of all my Hp, but i'm not the type to push things, Arnda your paladin will not surpass me! @_@

ok, now that i've bragged like a fool and probably spammed, i will leave

[Lartfor]

Well having 200 more hp than a hume and having 100 less mp does not really help a galka =(, because 1mp = about 4 hp healing.

[nuvas]

Actually my redmage friend can solo a heck of a lot better than me at 58...

Elidrin
58 Paladin/Warrior
Midgardsormr

[Claritin]

Soloing

I am a Paladin and I have noticed that I CAN solo.

I am lvl 20 and can take Evens in valkrum reliably.

I have been known to kill 2 Evens before resting.

I am a Hume and I am lvl 10 Warrior sub

I use
Bee Spatha +1
Tropical Shield

Bone mask
Bone Tunic
The Sandoria Rank 2 legs
Battle gloves
Light Solea boots
Friar Rope
Onyx Earring
Onyx Earring +1
Sandorian Ring (rank 3 4k points)
And another ring I think is + Def
Dhamael cape

So not AWESOME equip... but good stuff.

Now I know Warrior sub is not fantastic for a paladin who solo's... after all you already have the Defensive skill up that you get from warrior from your main clas paladin... and they don't stack.... and provoke is 100% useless when solo.

So my suggestion is if you REALLY want to solo... and your not just killing to get some exp inbetween groups is to sub MNK or WHM.

MNK will give you counter strike, and boost pretty early.... as well as more HP

WHM will give you a couple enfeebles and some more mana.

Now neither of these is as desireable as a PAL/WAR in a group... so I don't really use them because I only solo while waiting for a group invite.

So a paladin/warrior can solo at lvl 20 pretty well... it takes keeping your gear up to date.. and a little skill. Or you can switch to pal/whm or pal/mnk and be able to solo a little better.

When soloing don't get a monster to chase you with provoke... use banish.... that allows you to do 26 dmg or so without ever letting the monster touch you... then melee a bit... pop off shield bash if it starts to cast... shoot of a weapon skill then use Cure2 don't uses Cure 1 in combat because it takes for ever to cast it 2-3 times.. valuable time in which you are taking damage and the monster is not.... use the BIGGEST HEAL YOU HAVE. This is not about effciency... it's about winning the fight.

Be careful which monsters you fight.. I can take even rabbits and even snippers easy... but an easy lizard in valkrum can petrify me and petrify = death... sheep sleep but sheep will wake me back up since I have aggro so that is OK. And remember stuff that AE's like goblins and flies are not hard either because only ONE person is taking the damage... not 6... so less people to heal.... those attacks cripple a full party fighting an IT but a solo player killing an even or decent just laughs it off.

However I do not see me doing fantastic against evens when I hit 30... I will probably be fighting decents or easy prey by then.....

[imac2much]

You are correct, it is because you are still level 20. The higher level you are, the more impossible it will be to do well against decent challenges, much less even matches. But, you're right, at low levels PLD can solo quite well.

Actually, when I was level 30, I used PLD/THF to farm dunes and Mhaura a lot (easy prey Gobs like leecher and whatnot). I actually gained a good amount of loot and gil and about 2k XP or more. Not bad since I was not even trying to get XP.

But now at level 50, there is nothing to farm that is easy prey. I can still kill them sometimes, but they are not worth the time and downtime. Goblin Reapers and such are easy prey I think and I'm not entirely sure I can solo them :X

[KanonMcBrien]

I guess this might be a complaint, but I'm not sure I'm right anyway...so I'll shoot...Right now a RL friend and are at 8 w/ a couple of our jobs, and hunt(farm) for items and gil to supply our need to fish, play with alchemy, and other trade skills. Right now, this is working ok, since we can sell some crystals and loot, keep what we want, buy what we need, and so on. So, in the higher lvls, when we can't kill little stuff (farm) since they "aren't worth our while", and EP mobs aren't so easy, we will be bottle-necked as far as craftskills go? Thats pretty weak in my book, and I'm not a veteran of MMO's at all, I started EQ in March of 2003, and ended in August of 2003 in waiting for FFXI, and the fact that I was 51 Pally w/ ubb3r gear, and losing interest.

[Claritin]

Further input on solo.

As PAL/WHM I can solo toughs at lvl 23.

I have no problem gaining a lvl a day solo... lvl 21,22, and 23 all solo'd in valkrum.

However a PAL/WHM can't get a group...

And a PAL/WHM can't even exp with a buddy (can't hold aggro very well)

So you are forced into PAL/WAR and PAL/WHM if you want to solo on occassion.

I don't know if I will be able to solo still at lvl 30.... I kinda doubt it.

Soloing is also more than just job/sub-job... you need to be the right race (taru and galka probably not the best for solo since mana to hp ratio is too lop-sided.) You have to have the right gear... you have to have near maxed skills... you will not be soloing with a heal skill of 10 as a lvl 23 pal... nor will you be soloing with a shield skill of 10... they should be CAPPED.

Oh and you need some skill of course.

I have heard reports from my linkshell of a buddy of mine soloing landworms in Qufim with his lvl 20 PAL for 200 exp a kill... but he has better gear than me I believe and his skills are all capped also. (plus worms are always easier than they con in my opinion)

So yes a PAL can solo... but not to lvl 75... I kinda doubt it will last past lvl 30.... but at lvl 23 the exp is damn good. 120-140 a kill... or I can solo 2 decents for 140 etc.... and resting time is low due to good heals.

PAL/WAR is an awsome tank... and has no problems getting a group... so if getting a group is the part of grouping that pisses you off... just pick PAL/WAR and you will get groups FAST.... I get people asking me to join them all the time when I am soloing and I don't even have the "seek party" flag on.....

[Issaac]

Originally posted by Lartfor
Well having 200 more hp than a hume and having 100 less mp does not really help a galka =(, because 1mp = about 4 hp healing.

Then i am the best tank with 450 base hitpoints and 530mana points. Adds up to nearly 2500hitpoints just kidding )