Blink timing

[Tifa]

I believe he's referring to when I said this:

Be warned, this takes a bit of getting used to- but the perfecting of this technique is what divides the good ninjas from the bad. You NEED to be able to go from Ni to Ichi to cover those 10-15 seconds while your next Ni is charging.

After rethinking that statement, I still agree with what I originally said. This is a necessary skill if you are going to tank anything for longer than 2 shihei's worth- which would include all HNM and/or sky gods. We are all aware that with nice party setups, most EXP mobs die in less than 30 seconds, and never require more than 1 or 2 Utsu casts. This is true more at higher levels than at the lower levels, of course. The original poster noted that he was under level 37, and many battles at those levels can last a long time (due to many reasons, be it inexperienced players, subpar equipment or subjobs, etc etc).

[nsxtasy]

I wholeheartedly agree w/ Tifa. You NEED this skill to be an effective ninja all around.
Use it all the time? Not if you don't have to, but to tell younger Ninjas that its not worth the effort is seriously misleading and could hinder their ability to be the best ninja they can be if they never practice this essential skill.

To all you up and coming ninjas. Use your debuffs, practice the Ni->Ichi->Ni changeovers.

[little ninja]

Originally posted by nsxtasy
To all you up and coming ninjas. Use your debuffs, practice the Ni->Ichi->Ni changeovers.

an what of the throwing skill? obvious that if you were a hardcore ninja. an believed in being the all around best there is. then youd have made this in your " must know list." sad that the younger ninjas dont trully understand how valuable it is even at lower lvls. an as other pts told me long ago. no ninja they saw threw a shuriken.

i may not blink like you all claim is the perfect way. but i take pride in my ninjas gear. an his capped abilities!

[Tifa]

but i take pride in my ninjas gear. an his capped abilities!

Of course you do Nobody ever doubted you on that. This topic was just about timing blink casts, not about the other MANY things ninjas are able to do- and about that, you are correct. NIN has a ton of stuff at their disposal, they just need to make sure blink stays up while they do it =p

[Omni]

Originally posted by little ninja
an what of the throwing skill? obvious that if you were a hardcore ninja. an believed in being the all around best there is. then youd have made this in your " must know list." sad that the younger ninjas dont trully understand how valuable it is even at lower lvls. an as other pts told me long ago. no ninja they saw threw a shuriken.

what about throwing skill? even with manjis on xp mobs, i dont think its even worth the trouble. the dmg is OK and thats if you land it. if you want to increase your chances of landing it, you gear swap a lot of things like. war shinobi gi, ninja tekko, rng acc rings, etc. then that brings down your ability to tank, it screws up your rhythm in my opinion. maybe at lower lvls its helpful and practical but it didnt help me much in xp pts when mobs are double atking more frequent and doing aoes a lot more. dont be so quick to put people down just because they dont play like you or think the same way you do.

[Macht]

Originally posted by Omni-Ragnarok
what about throwing skill? even with manjis on xp mobs, i dont think its even worth the trouble. the dmg is OK and thats if you land it. if you want to increase your chances of landing it, you gear swap a lot of things like. war shinobi gi, ninja tekko, rng acc rings, etc. then that brings down your ability to tank, it screws up your rhythm in my opinion. maybe at lower lvls its helpful and practical but it didnt help me much in xp pts when mobs are double atking more frequent and doing aoes a lot more. dont be so quick to put people down just because they dont play like you or think the same way you do.

Same thing can be said of this responce. Basically no one should judge a players strategy, if you are capable of doing it then that's a unique skill all your own. Omni-Ragnarok may say it's impossible but if someone has figured out how to do it then if Omni ever see's and understands it then he'll just change his tune eventually once he acquires that skill.

The one thing for sure is I could see such a skill needing very well developed macro's and would definatly be of a fast pace. As far as rhythm, well rhythm can be changed as long as your practicing or focusing to change it. For the other stuff such as vulnerable points, strengths, weaknesses, etc... all that comes with putting an actual effort to apply such an ability not plain speculation. Denying a validity of something out of plain speculation and no representable proof is being close minded (Something I've been accused of quite a bit, still not sure how I qualify though).

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to state that Omni is close-minded in any way. From the looks they may of attempted it once, but I'm not sure if they really put forth much of an effort for it.

[Omni]

i can see your point but i never said this was impossible. i was merely responding to the comment he made about how if you dont throw shurikens, you are not a "hardcore ninja". i made that point b/c i have tried throwing shurikens in xp pt (no, not just for a couple of fights, but for a couple of hours during xp pt on serveral different mob types) and found it not to be useful or productive but, at the same time, does not make me any less of a ninja than anyone who enjoys this job NOR does it make you 'sad' if you dont utilize throwing in lower lvls.

i was merely responding to his condscedning tone rather than his play style. i used my experiences with throwing as a response to his 'hardcore ninja' statement.

[Macht]

I kind of figured, just want to make sure that excuse was closed. For low levels I'm a big believer on using stuff like boomerangs or other returnable items for skilling throws before going to items that get wasted. If I recall there is a returnable throwing weapon with similar speed to the shurikens which I would think to be great for practicing use of shurikens finding out when is a good time to throw and when isn't. Think it's the Unger Boomerang which is closest to shurikens in Delay.

[ClydeArrowny]

My set nin used to throw fumas for fun :spin: 120+ dmg a hit to exp mobs for 192 delay was very nice =DDDD

Then uhm...he kinda ran out of gil >.>

[Macht]

Originally posted by ClydeArrowny
My set nin used to throw fumas for fun :spin: 120+ dmg a hit to exp mobs for 192 delay was very nice =DDDD

Then uhm...he kinda ran out of gil >.>

That's an understandable reason for not using shurikens, they are good damage but damn you can burn through them so freaking fast.

[little ninja]

Originally posted by ClydeArrowny
My set nin used to throw fumas for fun :spin: 120+ dmg a hit to exp mobs for 192 delay was very nice =DDDD

Then uhm...he kinda ran out of gil >.>

thats around what my nin used to deal damage wise with a shuriken. this is big time helpful when your only getting about 20-30 a hit. usually i thru at the beginning of the fight, an after an mb. so i was only averaging about 1-3 a mob. it all depended on the way the fight was going. sometimes i found the mob turning alot. a shuriken that usually landed stopped that. or a strong mb, i usually could get it back with only a shuriken.

like i stated before. there is endless ways to play a ninja. an no 2 people play ninja the same. an even with the same gear. they play the style different. in the end the only things that matter is nobody gets hit or dies, an exp flow is steady...

so maybe omni that in your pt set up, or your style. throwing just didnt cut it for you. wether be it for money reasons. or the fact you couldnt go from 1 set up to a second set up without crumbling doesnt me someone else cant do it.

[Jei]

hmmm is that enough to cap your skill normally or do you switch to boomerang for skill ups? Your shuriken miss a lot?

[Omni]

Originally posted by little ninja

like i stated before. there is endless ways to play a ninja. an no 2 people play ninja the same. an even with the same gear. they play the style different. in the end the only things that matter is nobody gets hit or dies, an exp flow is steady...

so maybe omni that in your pt set up, or your style. throwing just didnt cut it for you. wether be it for money reasons. or the fact you couldnt go from 1 set up to a second set up without crumbling doesnt me someone else cant do it.

you fail to see what i was pointing out and again, you continue to do what im trying to expose. i wasnt trying to make the point that throwing isnt useful or whatever. thta was a mere example that you had brought up when you responded to NNY's post and how replied that he wasnt a 'hardcore' ninja and that throwing wasnt on the top of his list of 'must haves'. i was pointing out the fact that you have to always write condescending remarks about OTHER peoples comments. you say there are endless ways to play nin but crap on other people as if they arent 'real ninjas' b/c they didnt go the same route you did. in that last paragraph you wrote, you made jabs at whether or not i could afford throwing shurikens and my playing skill. -thats- what im pointing out.


yes, that is just my opinion about you. take it however you want with a grain of salt. all im saying is you dont need to put people down or look down on them b/c they dont do things a certain way. AND -pls- dont talk about crumbling, i play a taru, i dont even have over 1000 hp and ive done quite well for 73 lvls.

[Niland]

i have had capped throwing for a long time.

its nice because i can throw my boomerang at an IT and hit it!

wow.

[ZQM]

Originally posted by Omni-Ragnarok
thta was a mere example that you had brought up when you responded to NNY's post and how replied that he wasnt a 'hardcore' ninja and that throwing wasnt on the top of his list of 'must haves'.

I haven't even posted in this thread yet.