Counter - Tank

[Drael]

STOP FLAMING... sry :spin:

ok anyways, is stacking a sh*tload of Counter+ stuff to become a "Counter Tank" a viable option for high level monk?

[Ross]

Personally I want to try this out...after I have seen all the counter gear I think it is definitely possible for MNK to tank using this method.

[Mikeb]

I've heard rumours of high level Monks tanking in EXP parties with lots of +Counter gear, never seen it myself though. I imagine it would be possible though, I don't believe S-E put the counter ability in there for nothing...

[Cali]

Counterstance drop your def to the ground, unless you don't plan to use it as a 'Counter tank'...

Anyway, it's not like anyone would dare to accept MNK as tank, they won't even let WAR tank, you think MNK would be accepted? >_>;

Counter is useful for farming so far lol..

[Thark601]

umm... beleive it or not i tanked in a pt yesterday using my extremely high evasion, mediocre guard, and my counter... the mob rarely hit me compared to how often he'd hit a pld tank, but then again when you do get hit it's double/tripple what a pld would take dmg wise...

and oh yeah the best part... in order for a monk to tank you need to use every JA you got to hold hate... activate/deactivate berserk counterstance etc as a lil added hate....

gives ya a headache it sucks, it's a very busy job and then you gotta worry about renkei.... not fun i wouldn't recomend it to anyone

[Cali]

lol, PLD tanking isn't simple either, a second late in casting a spell, will end up waiting for another turn.. since you get spell interupt as soon as you get hit, and PLD for one isn't good at dodging....

It's really risky to try tanking in PT though, no? And I, myself ditch all my defensive for accuracy, dex, str, and attack >_>; But I wouldn't mind to tank if I have to...

Get in a skillup party and see how often you counter with full counter gears, if you think your natural counter will do without counterstance, then go on and try tanking.. and tell us the result.. might bring new light to our job.

[Thark601]

i had no counter, and the only change i made to my gear was swapping out my snipers for sun rings, and i did fine really.... almost dare say better than the pld lol just hate it

after you get to full af, your not all that weakened by xp gear, gives you a lot more def, and defensive boosts, then you have up to that poitn

[Weap]

I always have counnterstance active.....and I mostly tank =D I take to much hate from PLDs with a bard in thee party =/

[Balodoth]

low lvl THF/MNK tanking

I was putting together a party the other day in Qufim, and I ask who for everyone's DEF. Turns out mine was tied for highest. Playing THF right now, I wonder how that is possible. I was doing /RDM at the time (for fun, I can make it work at that level). Now I know I can steal hate w/ SA right now, and keep it until someone gets the bright idea to provoke.

I think, at least at low levels, subbing MNK makes for a great tank. Good VIT & DEF, as well as counter, really makes for a great tank. At least at low levels.

Well, after reading everyone's posts I need to go level MNK more to see if I can tank with it.

[Zaptruder]

Most attacking jobs are about as good as tanking as paladin is at doing damage.

That's to say, they're not utterly crap... but they're just no good at it.

[Gryff]

I have experienced dual monks tanking ^_^ its pretty cool.

It was ~65-67 ish, processionaires in boyahda anyway.

I was on whm, joined and was like "errr is this skillup or something? when I saw 2 monks +thief"

I was thinking "oh well this will never work but I'll sub blm so i can escape when it all goes to shit".

Started on monsters and maybe 1/3 hits hit them for maybe 50% more than a pld.

/shocked /check /spies cross counters.

Basically for a monk tank to work you need defender, some atk and vit up, crosscounters, rasetsu+1 would be very nice as well, and any other +counter/gaurd gear you can get your hands on.


Its not really viable until the later levels because you need crosscounters.

We made similar or better exp to a paladin party there, so done right it can work vs certain monsters, anything with a high damage WS I don't think it would work versus.

[Redlimit]

For a Counter Tank to work you need some insanely good gear. Cross-Counters are pretty much a must, as are two Avenger's Earrings. Rasetsu +1's once you get high enough as well.

The only time I've ever had good experiences with Counterstance has been ever since I got my AF2 Boots that "Enhance Counterstance". Now I have it on all the time when I am farming, and I rarely get hit (I farm with 2x Avenger's Earrings and AF Pants Counter+1 usually).

[Dano]

probably viable, never try it. against IT maybe it'll be a headache, against evens, toughs counter goes off very frequent with counter stance on

[sourjirou]

counter tanking is possible in there high lvls probably. from what i've seen most of the skeles in romps tomb are only very tough by lvl 72 so i'm guessing a lvl 75 monk could probably counter tank in king ronps tomb.

[Kastel]

monk is 51 with CCs and avenger's earrings and i seem to do ok when i steal hate from pally. always have that counterstance too, it helps a lot. but im sure it would get better once my monk is higher level for more counter gear., but if you get hit, it really hurts a lot....

also to the one about qufim, mnk works well as tank for the early levels ^^