Raging Fists and Belts!

[JayblahX]

Hey all, I'm fast approaching 48, and have the ability to purchase a Life Belt (meaning: my funds allow it).

Sadly, I do not as of yet own a Brown Belt, but do wear a Purple Belt. Now, as someone pointed out in a previous thread (I believe it was Lone Dragon); multi-hit WS power is based on landing all those hits. Because of that, I've started saving Focus only when using Raging Fists to help ramp up its damage.

My question is:

When unleashing Raging Fists at 48, is it smart to equipchange into a Life Belt first, to further ensure that more of RF's 5 hits land?

[Jifan]

I dont quite remember that stats of the purple belt since I sold mine. As an Elvaan I do get some crappy Raging Fists, most of the time now its 4 out of 5. Getting some Double Attacks in makes it even better. I do not use a Life Belt, I use my Brown Belt. I do however carry my Life Belt and one Sniper's Ring around with me. Havent need to equip them since I was a Dragoon.

[Sakrafyce]

I currently have my purple equipped, think stats are +3 str, +3%hatse?

Think brown is +5 and +5%

/em Can't wait till he gets Raging Fists....

[Halato]

I'm a galka and I have to admit I almost never take off my life belt.

My over all battle damage and TP gain seems to really suffer if I wear the brown belt.

I'm currently at +22 accuracy.

I'm level 60, btw.

[Fourinkmaaya]

thf sub works great with raging fists, my record is exactly 600dmg. sneak attack will ensure that the first two hits of any monk ws will land and be crits.. and with thf sub you will always get "full" tp return of raging. (11-13% + 1-3% depending on how many of the remaining 3 strikes will land.)
sniper's rings and life belt will definitely help your raging fists to do more stable damage with a war-sub

[Dano]

swapping yer brownbelt wif life belt is just like swapping yer ochido kote wif temple gloves, it's not that hard only it's very troublesome.. so i never take off my lifebelt.

[Ungerpurr]

Imho, brown belt's haste and +str does not make up for life belt's +accuracy. I used brown belt from 40-48, and you couldn't pay me to switch back to it in an xp PT.

[Shiia]

Not only on WS but basic meleeing aswell. When you are missing too much, I switch with lifebelt from brown belt. Most likely you will miss alot with ITs without lifebelt unless you have a bard... or smn with fenrir.

[Thark601]

gotta clear a few things up... brown belt is 5 STR 8% haste... purple belt is no comparison to Life belt...

brown belt is not only 5STR but 8% haste... isn't that 8% more damage if your landing the hits?

as an elvaan monk i bought a snipers ring... when wearing my brown belt i do use it, and i feel comfortable with my acc in most situations with 1 snipers, and brown belt, but i still always carry my life belt around

for raging fists definatly use your life belt, if you can afford it get a snipers and a brown belt for normal situations

and about the /thf... nono
all SA does to Raging Fists is increases the damage and insures that ONLY THE FIRST HIT LANDS
at lvl 50 that's rather pointless if you ask me...
with double attack thers almost as much a chance you'll do as much damage assuming at least 1 double attack lands... and the possibility's? well i guess you've not seen a 600-1000 dmg 8-10 hit raging fists it's rare but it happens

[Fourinkmaaya]

actually thark..
sneak attack for ws's will guarantee the first two hits..
tp return for backhand blow and raging fists with sneak attack has been atleast 12% tp since lv30, i doubt that's a coincidence.

sneak attack for regular hits will guarantee one hit.

thf sub works great lv30-50, but double attack which is recieved at lv50 will make war sub tastier.. and then at lv60 thf sub will be yummy again if there's no other */thf or thf/* in the party for trick attack.

[Thark601]

SATA subbed is never yummy... if SA insures 2 hits of the ws to land it's do to the nature of h2h and it'd be the same for normal attacks, is it? i don't know not sure..
regardless Raging Fists is not a weapon skill to use with SA... sure you might see a couple more points of damage but on the average with berserk up and later double attack you'll see a larger increase with /war...

untill 60, and 65 when you have ws's with fewer hits subbing thf is a bad idea

you doubt it's a coincidence huh? well if you ever hit less than 2 hits on a raging fists you've got some serious acc issues , actually at 52 when i helped on a bead coffer key hunt i beleive i did only land a 1 hit raging once.. and i was subbing thf and using SA + WS in hopes of gold coins

[Ungerpurr]

I had my first ever complete miss raging fists last night. Level 51, fighting robber crabs in kuftal (we shouldn't have been there, but anyway...). +17 accuracy from gear, and I whiffed a RF. Focus didn't even get them down to low evasion. Hell, focus + absorb-agi + gravity didn't get them to low evasion.

[Fourinkmaaya]

thark...
"well if you ever hit less than 2 hits on a raging fists you've got some serious acc issues"
do you know how tp acumulation works for monk weaponskills? the first two hits = 5-6% + 5-6% and the rest are worth 1%.
getting 10-12% from raging fists means that you NEVER EVER miss the first two hits.. do you understand why i am so sure about sneak attack? a 3% tp return from raging fists means that 3 hits landed, 12% can mean that only 2 hits landed.

sata subbed is not for the great damage increase.. it's for tricking onto the tank.. the best subjob for damage at lv60+ is /war sub.
let's paste what i said again:
"and then at lv60 thf sub will be yummy again if there's no other */thf or thf/* in the party for trick attack."

oh and acc issues? jujitsu gi, sniper's rings + set pt bard.

[Redlimit]

A lot of mobs past 60 have retardedly high evasion, so from 60-65 you will likely find yourself using Life Belt a lot more than Brown Belt.

Once you get Shiva's Claws at 65 though (Accuracy+8), you have a lot of options to mix and match gear. Claws + Brown Belt work well (about the same accuracy as if you had Life Belt on), and for really pesky enemies (HNM, NM, and some THF beastmen) you can use Claws + Life Belt.

[Ipwnzuall!!!111]

Originally posted by Thark601
SATA subbed is never yummy... if SA insures 2 hits of the ws to land it's do to the nature of h2h and it'd be the same for normal attacks, is it? i don't know not sure..
regardless Raging Fists is not a weapon skill to use with SA... sure you might see a couple more points of damage but on the average with berserk up and later double attack you'll see a larger increase with /war...

untill 60, and 65 when you have ws's with fewer hits subbing thf is a bad idea

you doubt it's a coincidence huh? well if you ever hit less than 2 hits on a raging fists you've got some serious acc issues , actually at 52 when i helped on a bead coffer key hunt i beleive i did only land a 1 hit raging once.. and i was subbing thf and using SA + WS in hopes of gold coins

I find that pre-double attack, those extra critical hits every minute are more reliable damage than the few points of strength and the time when Boost is up. That goes double for WSs, and double-double for pre Raging Fists.