Monk not being an ADV Job.

[jitx]

I was wondering, does anyone ever feel like they get less PT's because they arent an advanced class? I was thinking of giving up on DRG for a bit and playing monk. But if a couple PT's ive had, people always seemed to pass up regular jobs for advanced jobs, seemingly because they are just advanced.

And its still not long after the PS2 release, and alot of them are just now hitting 30 or getting ADV jobs up to 30. I think alot of people have the mindset of ADV=better. Has anyone else seen evidence of this?

[Pandaz]

Yeah, there definetly is on most servers.
Although monks do great damage and from what I hear are really helpful when doing skeleton mobs later on, so you could definetly stick to it.
Most of the "adv. is better" crew are probably people who don't know much about the game dynamics, since some of the best classes are base classes (BLM, WHM anyone?)
There's not much you can do though, some people just won't search for monks when they need damage dealers :/

[Halato]

Most of this chills out quite a bit post 30. Somewhere before level 60 there's only so many people in your level range, so chances are someone will know you from a PT before you get an invite. If you suck, and someone knows you suck, then PT's will invite strangers. If you're good, SOMEONE will know it, and that will help more than your job.

[Mikeb]

Whenever I play Monk I get invites pretty regularly. Of course I'm only level 34 at the moment, but reputation helps (and a good search comment). The people who think Monks suck and advanced jobs are better are usually noobs, and those people should be avoided anyway...

[iglak]

the people that think advanced jobs are better are HUGE n00bs.

advanced = harder to use well
advanced = for advanced players

DRKs require use of magic to equal or surpass a MNK
DRGs require their wyvern, lowering their xp gain, to equal or surpass MNKs
SAMs require the cooperation of the party to be able to do 2 skillchains per mob, raising dmg dealt by the BLM, and other magic bursters as well

i haven't seen any of this attitude, but i imagine they just don't invite me (which is probably a good thing)

but make sure you have the best equip you can and that your stat +s are in your search comment.

[Tokitoki]

Originally posted by iglak
the people that think advanced jobs are better are HUGE n00bs.


DRGs require their wyvern, lowering their xp gain, to equal or surpass MNKs
i haven't seen any of this attitude, but i imagine they just don't invite me (which is probably a good thing)

Wow... how ignorant.... Wyvern is a 2hr and doesnt decrease exp gain at all. Now try calling people n00bs and saying people have a n00b attitude.

[jitx]

DRGs require their wyvern, lowering their xp gain, to equal or surpass MNKs

I can tell you this personally, it isnt true DRG arent BST heh

[Nameless]

Originally posted by iglak
the people that think advanced jobs are better are HUGE n00bs.

advanced = harder to use well
advanced = for advanced players

DRKs require use of magic to equal or surpass a MNK
DRGs require their wyvern, lowering their xp gain, to equal or surpass MNKs
SAMs require the cooperation of the party to be able to do 2 skillchains per mob, raising dmg dealt by the BLM, and other magic bursters as well

i haven't seen any of this attitude, but i imagine they just don't invite me (which is probably a good thing)

but make sure you have the best equip you can and that your stat +s are in your search comment.

DRK definetly need stun,drain, and aspir to increase their damage

[Karinya]

Originally posted by Nameless
DRK definetly need stun,drain, and aspir to increase their damage

Well, stun doesn't actually increase your damage, but you're right about the other two.

Anyway, I think the "advanced jobs are better" mentality mainly forms in Qufim. A lot of people with basic jobs in Qufim are on their first or second jobs, poor, with bad equipment, often underleveled and/or inappropriate subs, and don't really know what they're doing (pulling without a notifying macro, tanks moving around so the thief can't sneak attack, nuking with the wrong nukes - I swear I saw someone cast Waterga on a crab!, don't know how to skillchain). And often don't have the map or don't know the area.

Someone leveling an advanced job in Qufim has at least one level 30 job, usually more money, and more experience of the game. And they have at least been there before, and probably bought the map.

Of course, a rank 4+ person with a basic job probably has a 30+ job and all the other things that come with it, too. This is why some people discriminate on the basis of rank - a lower rank than your level could normally achieve isn't necessarily bad (you can be a skilled player and not do missions, or you might have changed allegiance and haven't done the new nation's missions yet), but an impossibly high rank for your level means you have a higher level job, and therefore are experienced and probably rich relative to that level too.

Plus, if you're rank 5, you survived Oztroja Castle, which in itself says something about your playing ability (even high level friends can't protect an idiot in Oztroja when the Yagudo Conquistadors come out to play).

Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to invite a warrior or monk to my party to fill a damage slot (unless there were other indications of a bad player, like a bad or badly underleveled sub). If I asked them to fill the tank slot I'd mention it in the /tell before inviting them and see what they answered (yes, some monks can tank, and it isn't limited to Galkas although they are the best at it). But I don't make very many parties anymore - as a RDM I get invites all the time, seeking or not, so I don't usually have to go to the effort of forming my own. :p

[Thark601]

adv jobs do do better at lower lvls... it doesn't matter what you play if you have good equipment and eat, the only advantage your going to find is the mob you fight, but drks, etc do more damage through valkurm

this sometimes makes ppl think those jobs are better, even tho monk doesn't show his true colors untill 50+

nobody should say monk invites are good... i struggle to get parties and i have good gear... - peacoke charm, etc but good... emp pin, sniper, etc

if your going to play as monk i highly recomend you find a set pt.. i've had the oportunity to be in 2 before something went wrong and they both broke...
lvling a melee job is not easy, invites are never as good as other jobs, but on ragnarok anyways monks are just sol when it comes to invites

[iglak]

Originally posted by jitx


I can tell you this personally, it isnt true DRG arent BST heh

really?
ok, then i was wrong about that, sorry, i read that in a few places, oh well, no loss, they still require their wyverns to equal or surpass decent mnks.


<edit> so, do smns lose xp by having their summons out?

[Kent]

No. They don't.

Only Beastmasters suffer an EXP penalty when having a pet under their command.

[kisada]

the people that think advanced jobs are better are HUGE n00bs.

Yes this is true, and people do think like this. I thought like this when I first started (I thought MNK was absolutely retarded). But as I started getting higher in level, I noticed that they weren't, and that they were actually very good.

Now I have a huge appreciation for basic jobs (mnk, war, etc), and my next dmg dealing class is going to be MNK for sure.

[Pandaz]

The main problem with adv jobs is that for the first 20+/- levels you are going to have to deal with noobs playing advanced classes because they think they are superior to base classes.
In truth the only thing adv jobs have up on basic jobs is specilization.
And that more or less excludes the mage classes and theives, mainly monks and warriors.
Yesterday I was soloing the last fe 100xp I needed for a level, and I provoke something, some BST come up and starts yelling at me. In my eyes, if it's unclaimed, it's fair game. ANyway, what got to me was that he said "nice job being origional, there everyone is a warrior". I could have chewed his ignorant ass out right then. No shit everyone is a warrior, they want their adv. jobs; after level 30 about 1/10 of the origional warrior population is still there.
Er. Sorry for the rant