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  • #16
    Trying to figure out a way to articulate what I was thinking about using both at once, but the above poster hit the nail on the head for me (Asianfury). I haven't been in a group that could get chain #5 since a hornfly group I had around level 45, because there usually never are enough monsters to fight to get that far since then (we were the only group doing hornflies that night). QSC (east altepa), Garlaige are the places I've leveled since then, always at least one other group (usually two in garlaige).

    Sometimes it's not about saving focus or berserk to get chain #5, you just use them so that there will still be something to pull when your thf goes out after the kill. ^^

    To all those people using brown belt in the 50s...I don't see how you can do it. Imo, if I miss one attack, period, during a course of a fight, that's one attack too many. What's average fight length...somewhere around 75 seconds or so? It varies, we'll just go with 75 seconds. Let's say Monk A has 11% haste, 4 accuracy, and hits for 50 damage a hit, with a 384 haste-modified attack delay. Monk B has 3% haste, 14 accuracy, and hits for 45 damage a hit, 418 haste-modified attack delay.

    For Monk A, 75 divided by 3.84 seconds per round ~= 19, x2 = 38 attacks (we'll ignore double attack and kick). A monk around this level should be doing ~750-1250 damage a fight, call it 1000, which means 20/38 attacks landed, which seems a little low, but it doesn't matter for this comparison.

    For Monk B, 75 divided by 4.18 seconds seconds per round ~= 17, x2 = 34 attacks. Now, we've decided to have this monk hitting for 45 damage a hit, so how many hits does it take for him to make up the difference? 23 x 45 = 1035. If Monk B can land ~15% more hits, in this case, he'll outdamage Monk A. The percentage of hits needed to overcome the strength deficit will get lower as the strength becomes a smaller component of damage done.

    Now obviously these are all BS numbers, but I tried to make it at least somewhat reasonable (assumed gear for both monks was TM Hooks, Jujitsu Gi, Fuma Kyahan). If I could actually get a group that lasted for long enough (at the least, 4-5 hours), I'd bring both belts along and parse the difference.

    Will someone with life belt land 15% more hits than someone with brown belt in the low 50s? Maybe, maybe not. I dunno, this game is damn near impossible to parse properly because you attack sooooo much slower and fewer times than Some Other Games (don't want to get anyone riled up here, heh). Bleh. My Brown Belt's getting sold either way because of me trying to afford Cross-Counters.
    61 MNK | 37 WAR | 37 THF | 35 RDM | 29 BLM | 25 WHM
    Mithra retired November 2004 - Hume started November 2006
    28 WAR | 18 MNK | 15 WHM | 12 BLM

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    • #17
      I don't use the Brown Belt, because even though my attacks are faster, it just means typically, that I'm missing faster. Lord, watch me go with Brown Belt and WHM haste, but there is alot of missing in that. I don't like missing >_< even when I attack that fast. To me it just doesn't seem worth it. When I get the loot I'll try a brown belt again, and see if it'll hold up to Life Belt.

      Shame too, cuz I like the STR added on that belt too. =\ Sadly, I quested the Brown Belt, and sold it. To put me over the edge for my Cross-counters. ^_^ Some real fun in those...whenever I draw agg, and sometimes I do ; ;, to be countering IT mobs that I simply have no business countering. (Nice for farming, should work pretty good in Maat fight too.) :p
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      • #18
        Elvaan Monk using no Life Belt. I use one Pussiance Ring and one Sniper Ring. +8 Dex atm. Dont miss much and gain TP sooo much faster then any melee I PT with.
        | FFXI | SIREN | San D’Oria | Jifan | Monk 56 | WAR 65 | RNG 75 | NIN 38 | LS Ascendence™ |

        | Jifen | Main Job BLM 38 | Sub WHM 22 | RDM 06 |

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        • #19
          I think you were on the right track before. The two abilities combined are more powerful than seperate, even if you don't always have a buff on. Use Focus when you use Berserk. Those are the more powerful attacks, and those are the ones that should hit. Of course, if your party is having time between pulls, which is typical, then that is also twice the time with no buffs for every second you have both running. I think as someone else said, try to make it count for two WSs if you can.

          In the end, I doubt that there's a significant difference between either method. Both abilities are definitely more effective together, but if the pulls are coming slowly, you're running the clock on BOTH abilities.

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