Counterstance & Souleater

[JexIntrepid]

I don't know why both of those active abilities suck for each respective class.

Counterstance doesn't really give you the edge of countering that much compared to the extremely low defense as a result. And SoulEater, you can only use very little or else, you'll get permanent hate, and you have to worry about 10% hp loss.

I mean, why is it that monks and drks got shafter on their last and "supposedly" better high lvl abilities?

I tried to think of a reason, but i couldn't think of any. It sucks really, and i hear you lose less hp if drk is subbed. That makes it easier on drk subs, doesn't it?

If anything counterstance should at least make your counterattack occasionally add a kick in also, and increase the counter chances by 60% if you're gonna lose that much def.

What do you think? Shouldn't S-E change at least those two, and make them a bit easier on us? I usually would want to lvl a char to 60+ knowing there are great abilities out there for that job. and those two just aren't that appealing..... :confused:

[DJplaeskool]

Counterstance was the reason I beat Maat in Genkai 5...
so it's kinda redeemed itself for me personally...

It's good when farming lower level monsters, since they often miss and the damage taken, even with the defense cut, is pretty negligable...
it's a good ability to expedite the process...

[Cali]

I don't know... I do read about genkai 5 needing monk to counter to win, therefore all counter+ equips and counterstance.

Counterstance does increase counter rate. But we are never really needed to tank at higher lvl anyway, so why need the counter?

As for souleater, mm.. I never played DRK, but... it's a WS ability, no? it helps make the WS stronger, as in more commonly used with WS than with normal attack....

As for them 2 making the jobs weaker... amen.... I have no problem with my counterstance... well not that I remember I have it til I go in ability menu... it didn't make me super weak... I am lvlin MNK to get asuran fists, whether or not I can counter doesn't really matter...

THF or DRG don't have it easier than us either; DRG has a hard-to-keep wyvern that leave so easily yet so hard to get back, no real strong ability until penta thrust; THF's sneak attack+trick attack is strong, but THF doesn't hit hard normally, like 2-4 damage... so at the end, sneak+trick is like the total of its suposed normal attacks during that 1 minute with 50 or so bonus damage... and it's hard to use sneak+trick in bad team, either the tanker doesn't know how to work with a THF, or the THF doesn't know how to work...

[albert lee]

souleater is what makes a drk powerful. it IGNORES DEF. and the hate u generate.. yes if used in the beginging of a battle, you will get so much hate that u will probably die. but during a mid fight, the tank(PLD is best esp with or without a thief, other tanks can't hold it usually) has so much agro, you will not be able to pull it off with souleater/provoke/lastresort combined.

using souleater with a ws, is a waste. it is better used with normal attacks. 150-250 dmg for 8 swings is pretty nice, especially if double swing kicks in. if u use souleater mid fight, best bet is that the monster is dead or pretty close to kicking the bucket.

[Mithrael]

Souleater has yet to get me killed, you just need to use it at the right time. Since activating it creates a high amount of hate, I always wait to activate it until right after a provoke, bash, or flash. If I feel like another swing is too much, I'll unlock from the target and turn away for a second. You get pretty used to knowing what will make the mob turn on you after having souleater for 20 levels.

as for counterstance... I activated it for fun while fighting a sea monk (lv. 20-25?) and it hit me for 200 damage... I never used it again except for the screenshot for my avatar.

[JexIntrepid]

Thieves get triple kick and trick attack, those are uber in terms of hate-management at higher lvls.

Soul Eater, i guess is fine, but from what i hear, Drks get alot of bad rep because of it. They gain so much hate, that the whm always have to spam heal them, and it usually caused party death.

Counterstance should be replaced by another chi blast ability or at least, just add another chi blast ability after counterstance, cuz i don't feel that as being such a great ability at all. I don't wanna waste time on decents to get counters working. If anything, monks might generate enough hate at some point to gain aggro, and i highly doubt anyone would want to drop their defense THAT low, just to increase the chances of countering so little. That just seems like so much b.s as our last active ability.

I'm not talking about weaponskills, that's a totally diff. issue. Unless there's a trick to increase your counter rate while you level, and by adding counterstance, your counter rate is MUCH higher than we think. But i haven't noticed a "counter skill" or anything and counter only seems to work once in a while against low level mobs.

I think monks should get 1 more chi ability or maybe make counterstance increase your counter rate, but instead of dropping def so low, it should pull aggro (maybe not as strong as provoke, but somewhat)

Still feel these two are the worst active abilities for any class at higher levels.

[Ghostraven]

Originally posted by JexIntrepid
Soul Eater, i guess is fine, but from what i hear, Drks get alot of bad rep because of it. They gain so much hate, that the whm always have to spam heal them, and it usually caused party death.

Like was said above, it's all about when you use it. a poorly trained Drk will cause MP waste / too much hate etc.

Also I agree monk should get more active abilities. Drk gets last active at level 30, BUT we get new spells so things dont get too boring.