hand-to-hand equipment question

[Sohjai]

thx bside for you detailed post! And thanks everyone else who replied!

Well I still have more questions ^.^;

I just got MA4 and still using Mithril Knuckles +1 (10dmg, 91delay, I think), ws lvl is 141.

So with your forumla my dmg and delay

DMG = 17 +10 =27 damage
Delay = 340 +91 = 431 delay

These numbers are not good at all, the damage is per punch correct? So it should be something like 54 damage 431 delay? Well this makes more sense.


Since this dmg is using ws lvl to calulate dmg I cannot directly compare this to another weapon, ie swords, unless I apply swords ws lvl dmg increase to the sword.

So would a sword with say 23 dmg, 250 delay and 141 sword ws be actually 40 damage 250 delay? Doesn't make sense to me, so how would I go comparing h2h weapons to other weapons in damage/delay ratio?

Thanks in advance!

[bside]

Originally posted by Sohjai

So with your forumla my dmg and delay

DMG = 17 +10 =27 damage
Delay = 340 +91 = 431 delay

These numbers are not good at all, the damage is per punch correct? So it should be something like 54 damage 431 delay? Well this makes more sense.

correct, that's Dmg per hand, thus 27*2=54 w/ 431 Delay, if u r to compare this w/ other weapons. however, keep in mind that it's an attack of Dmg 27 hit twice, not the Dmg 54 attack.

Originally posted by Sohjai

So would a sword with say 23 dmg, 250 delay and 141 sword ws be actually 40 damage 250 delay? Doesn't make sense to me, so how would I go comparing h2h weapons to other weapons in damage/delay ratio?

look more carefully at my above post. h2h weapons ADD the values to those of bare hands. and table and formula provided give the bare hand values. other weapons' Dmg and Delay r solely of the weapons equipped.

[Sohjai]

Thanks for you reply bside!

This helps greatly in choosing weapons for the best dmg/delay ratio, since there are way too many h2h weapons available. This clears up a lot!

[Sensei_Kaels]

so you high lvl monks are saying that more dmg+stats>low delay?

this is what i was thinking:

L1=Cesti+1
L12=Burning Cesti
L20=Cougar Baghakhs
L24=Lynx Baghakhs
L31?=Impact Knuckles+1?

[Taoist]

Impact Knuckles are lvl 32 but i never knew there were +1's... :confused:

[Lone Dragon]

There aren't any Impacts +1.
Impact Knuckles are an NM drop.
Drops off the same thing that drops the Kote,
it's like a 2nd place drop. :|
That means there is no recipe for them,
so there is no High Quality version of it
(the Cursed items may break this rule, I haven't looked into them much.)