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    Chi vs. Provoke

    The other day I was camping Mee Deegi in Oztroja, and I stayed for two spawns of him. I had always thought that Chi Blast was faster than Provoke, but after missing the spawn twice while spamming for the mob, I'm not so sure.

    There was little lag, and the other play I was going against was NA, not Japanese. Also, I have relatively good reaction time, so I was wondering if anyone knew which is actually faster? Any feedback on this would be appreciated.
    Tags: chi, provoke
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    It's called having a better connection.

    I don't know of anything that says Chi Blast is a better puller,
    so don't expect it to get you argo 100% of the time.
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    • #3
      better connection has nothing to do with it... it's all about the latency and reaction time...

      but i'm sorry i cannot answer your chi blast vs provoke question but i don't know of anyone that pulls with chi...




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        Yes, and the better reaction time comes from what? ;/
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        • #5
          latency and reaction time are 2 different things...
          if your pinging at 500 on an fps shooter your gonna miss if your pinging at 40 and still miss you have bad reaction time




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            Lets assume they have the same reaction time (which is probably the correct assumption),
            if he was too slow, what do you think caused it? ;x
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            • #7
              latency of course...
              whichever's closer to the server in japan

              that is saying that chi is just as fast as voke which is still the question mind you




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              • #8
                i belive chi blast has some delay because it is somewhat of a ranged attk... and i think provoke is THE fastest way of aggroing the enemy though its short range of casting
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                • #9
                  You really don't seem to get it.
                  If distance from japan isn't the issue (which I doubt it is),
                  WHY WOULD THERE BE DIFFERENCE IN LATENCY?
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                  • #10
                    Because the net is based off of a packet routing system, that routes different packets through different paths. Your latancy depends on how many, and how fast the computers you are linking through are sending data.

                    If you'e just happened to get lucky today, and are routing data through Ally Oop's 8086 server, then you are going to have a higher latency than the guy who's linked to the server via Cray Labs, even when both computers are the same physical distance from their target.

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                    • #11
                      aka 'better connection.'
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                      • #12
                        ok, hypothetically speaking, if ALL COMPUTERS were to have same latency or lag or whichever you were to call it...
                        i still believe that provoke>chi

                        1. Provoke can be casted while moving.
                        2. Instant hate.

                        Chi vs. Provoke in it's purest form... as it were.
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                        • #13
                          Latency is caused by distance from the originating server and it's also caused by how you are connected to the internet. DSL will give you low pings in the 50 range, cable will give you pings in the 75-100 range, and dial up will give you pings in the 300 range. An american player using a DSL connection competing with a japanese player on a dial up connection could win based on latency. On my cable connection I get ~150 ping to the FFXI servers.
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                          • #14
                            Lone Dragon wrote
                            aka 'better connection.'
                            Not necessarily. It is quite possible to have a very low latency connection that is also saturating and dropping packets right and left. Conversly, it is also possible to have a connection that is nearly completely stable, dropping nothing, with plenty of bandwidth left, but with a half second delay between you and the server.

                            The problem with just saying "better connection" is that one misses why it is a better connection.

                            Anyways, back to the original poster's question, I haven't gotten high enough to use Chi Blast yet, but Provoke sends an agro to the target the instant the key is pressed, even before the animation has started. If Chi Blast involves any set up time at all, then Provoke is going to be faster.

                            You can test it if you want, by finding some easy mobs that aren't hunted much, and agroing them with Provoke and Chi Blast, and seeing which respond faster relative to when you activated them.

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                            • #15
                              You have to think of what's most likely.

                              The possible don't really matter when the probable is right in front of you.
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