Monk as Sub Have Guard Y/N?

[Blondybadass]

Sorry I looked everywere for this answer and I still don't know.

Do I have to have MNK as Main Job to have Guard skill?

Basically I want to know if I can make a char with Guard/Blocking

Also I am 90% sure this can't happen but can A MNK use a shield if its sub is Paladin OR Warrior?

Thank You!

[SkyWing_]

If it iz yur sub job than yes u will still be able to use da guard skill that monks use........I had this same problem once.



-peace yo-

[Silenthavoc]

When I was working on my war as a main to sub for my monk, I never saw the Guard skill work with a sword. If you look at the ability chart, only monks get this ability. Guard only works with H2H weapons in my experience. Monks get guard, everyone else gets parry. The above poster, as far as I can tell, has never played a monk. Anyone know for sure and is not just guessing .... ?

[SkyWing_]

LMAO I played a s aMonk in Beta but not in the JP version.


Monks can only succesfully use their guard attack with H2H weapons as u stated, after u use the technique boost which last about one turn you will be able to attack 3 times if ya do it rite (two attacks and one counter) Counter and Guard r da same thing tho.


Hope I answered both yur questions homies.

EDIT: U learn Boost at lvl 5.



-l8ter-

[Blondybadass]

So I have to be using Hand to Hand in order for the Guard skill to work?

Then there is no way of using
Shield/Guard/Parry/Evade
all at the same time?

Dang!

[sactothrash]

Counter and gaurd aren't the same thing.

I have a lvl 20 mnk and I've been leveling thief and war as well (both are at lvl 10 now)

I believe you can only gaurd if you have H2H weapons equiped although I think you CAN counter with anyweapon. Dont quote me on that as I dont know for sure yet.

[Synbios]

You can use the skills but not the equipment of your sub class. It would be crazy if BLM/PAL starts nuking everything and they hardly get any damage with their heavy armor.

[sactothrash]

Yeah you can use the sub jobs skills. You CAN be a thf/mnk and be able to gaurd but you have to be using H2H weapons I believe. Gaurd only works with H2H

[Blondybadass]

I still don't think anyone has fully answered my question. ANd now I have more questions

1) Original Question: Is there a Job/SB combo that can Guard/Shield/Parry/Evade?

Like a Warrior/Monk with h2h weapon + shield?

So far I have hear you can only "guard" when using h2h weapon, and "Parry" while using any weapon besides h2h. If that was the case then no one can Parry+Guard. Monk do get the parry skill so I am not sure why monks would get that skill if h2h didn't use it.

I have not heard of anyone using h2h + shield is that possible? I know Monks don't get shield but what about Warrior/Monk?

Moving on to other Questions:

I have heard you only can equip the weapons your main Job has, but lets look at some examples of skill.

2) Anything/Ranger I read have the archery skill so thats makes me think you get your SJ skills but your not very proficient at them?

3) If your Main Job already have a skill but your SJ also has the skill does the skill have a higher grade?

EX: Warrior compared to Warrior/Monk

Warrior has D in h2h while Monk has A+ in h2h. Will a Warrior/Monk have a D in h2h still or more than a D because of the Monk sub?


4) Last of All I have heard mixed things about what Guard does.
Does it reduce the amount of damage you take when you get hit? Or prevent you from getting hit? Or something else?

Sorry I don't have the game yet and I really like to plan ahead.
Thank you.

[sactothrash]

Originally posted by Blondybadass
I still don't think anyone has fully answered my question. ANd now I have more questions

1) Original Question: Is there a Job/SB combo that can Guard/Shield/Parry/Evade?

Like a Warrior/Monk with h2h weapon + shield?

So far I have hear you can only "guard" when using h2h weapon, and "Parry" while using any weapon besides h2h. If that was the case then no one can Parry+Guard. Monk do get the parry skill so I am not sure why monks would get that skill if h2h didn't use it.

I have not heard of anyone using h2h + shield is that possible? I know Monks don't get shield but what about Warrior/Monk?

Moving on to other Questions:

I have heard you only can equip the weapons your main Job has, but lets look at some examples of skill.

2) Anything/Ranger I read have the archery skill so thats makes me think you get your SJ skills but your not very proficient at them?

3) If your Main Job already have a skill but your SJ also has the skill does the skill have a higher grade?

EX: Warrior compared to Warrior/Monk

Warrior has D in h2h while Monk has A+ in h2h. Will a Warrior/Monk have a D in h2h still or more than a D because of the Monk sub?


4) Last of All I have heard mixed things about what Guard does.
Does it reduce the amount of damage you take when you get hit? Or prevent you from getting hit? Or something else?

Sorry I don't have the game yet and I really like to plan ahead.
Thank you.

I had alot of the same questions when I started so maybe I can help :-)

1. As far as I can tell there is no job combo that can Guard/Shield/Parry/Evade. Monks can Gaurd/evade but cant shield or parry. I dont believe you can equip a shield along with H2H weapons although really I've never even tried (H2H weapons show up in both hands even though its one weapon)

2. Anything/ranger doesnt automatically = having archery skills. For example. A THF/RNG would be able to use bows but I believe their proficiency is listed as a D so the cap on thier skill would be low. With ranger subbed though you get bonuses to ranged attacked because of Rangers Job Traits (like mnk gets a H2H speed bonus every few levels)

3. Weapon skill caps are determined soley by your main job. For example if I'm a WHM/NIN I still won't even be able to equip a katana even though NIN has a very high skill in it. Even if two jobs share a skill (like War/BST and the axe) the main job still determines the skill cap and the subjob has no effect.

EX. WAR would have the same H2H skill as a WAR/MNK. (Not including the H2H speed bonuses a monk gets)

4. Gaurd will reduce the damage for a particular attack down to a minimal amount. When my monk first got gaurd an attack that would usually be 15-20 got reduced down to 2-3. It seems that a higher gaurd skill just raises how often you gaurd, not the effectiveness.

I hope that covers everything:-)



EDIT: Thieves get Parry/shield and I believe they get evade as well. That's 3/4.

[Blondybadass]

Awsome Info!!

Just want to be sure of 1 thing.

When you say "Weapon skill caps are determined soley by your main job" that also applies to parry/evade/shield/guard right?

Just get confused when people say " You CAN be a thf/mnk and be able to gaurd but you have to be using H2H weapons ". How can THF/MNK guard if only MNK has guard and Weapon skills are determined by Main Job?

[RadiantDarkness]

You(notice how I didnt say "u"?) would use a hand to hand weapon.

[sactothrash]

Originally posted by Blondybadass
Awsome Info!!

Just want to be sure of 1 thing.

When you say "Weapon skill caps are determined soley by your main job" that also applies to parry/evade/shield/guard right?

Just get confused when people say " You CAN be a thf/mnk and be able to gaurd but you have to be using H2H weapons ". How can THF/MNK guard if only MNK has guard and Weapon skills are determined by Main Job?

I havent tested this but I believe you can only raise the gaurd skill as a monk but use it with any job that uses H2H weapons.

I'm actually not sure how this works. From what I've seen mnk's ONLY have a rating in gaurd so really the other classes shouldn't be able to use it at all. Kind of like a WHM can't use a Scythe.

On my character though, what I have it setup as THF/WAR I do believe Gaurd was listed under my combat skills. I'll have to double check later though.

[TehTpyoKing]

monk get parry skil because they can use staves as an alternative to h2h, though it isnt a good idea in my opinion other than as an extra option for renkei's in group situations.

also, THF/MNK can guard with h2h weapons but only with H2h, and i may be mistaken but i think any class has the ability to guard if it has the ability to equip h2h weapons. and subsequently can have the skill raised with them equipped, they will however cap out lower than monk because monk are the h2h kings.

[moraala]

Monk

A monk can use 3 types of weapons
H2H
1h Staff
2h Staff

When a Monk use H2H he can use Guard/Evasion
When a Monk use 1h Staff he can use Shield/Evasion
When a Monk use 2h Staff he can use Parry/Evasion

The reason Monk can are the only one that get guard is cause they have lower armor rating. Please correct me if Im wrong.