Just End this about DRK's...they're no bigtime dmg dealers

[Naota1369]

wow ill mitch....interesting way to post threads....lol

but then again i guess you are Ill Mitch....hahaha

nice rap btw...heh

[Crug]

Originally posted by Deodorant
Capital Letters are your friend.

well then. if thats the only bad thing you have to say about my post, then i must be doing just peachy.

i do remeder caulsing fusion and im 50 away from having 200 scythe. i could have missed a sc before me any way. nit picking only leads to spliting hairs. so lets just stand firm in the fact that the original poster is a total goofus =)

[MeleeFighterFF]

u saw what high lvl darks put...they barely even hit the enemy..just WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
WOW a hit for 450? drk does SICKKKK dmg
woooooooooooooooooosh
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wow, i just did drain im so versatile
woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
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Wow! holy shit, i just did drain again then ended off a skillchain!!! drk is so versatile
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
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fight over...

drk to party : wow did u see that hit i did for 450!?
party to drk (to be nice): "yeah it was cool"
drk to self: im so uber

you dumb ignorant drk's....they whole time u sit around missing missing missing, waiting for the one big hit, a monk is just tooling all over the mob...

why do you refuse to see this no matter how many ppl say it?

[MeleeFighterFF]

and btw...

why once you are shown that a mnk does in fact do more dmg do u then turn to the GARBAGE shield of "well, drk isn't just about dmg, it's about versatility"...? BULLSHIT! and you know it...your job was created for, and still is, for one purpose: high melee dmg...

war/sam's and war/thf's are the "support" melee...not drk's...

my question is after we've agreed that a war, mnk, blm and in some cases dragoon outdmg a dark knight, what's even the purpose to your job class existing?

well ive heard quite a bit about SE further nerfing dark knight to start phasing it out of this "uber" image it's achieved with you NOOB BALLS which is great, being that your job class shouldnt even exist in the first place...

ill say it again...DARK KNIGHT SUCKS BALLS...HIGH LVL DARKS ADMIT IT...READ ALL THE POSTS ON YOUR FORUM

lemme guess, you're going to put at the fact im lvl 19, even though that's not what my sig says...

i dont need to even play the game once to be able to read all these forums and read parsers...my lvl is IRRELEVANT...

dark knight eats sack...you and i both know it...

pointless job class, and kudos to SE for nerfing it, and continuing too...

they're doing the bright thing...gradually phasing this mistake class out of the game

[Dragon Ghost]

End your sick fetish with monks,DRK's > MNK's end of story.

[Sickness]

Why must you hate drk so much? Its just a game

[Ill_Mitch]

Do you even research before you post? Or do you just use the very few experiences where you have seen a DRK at high lvls to base your posts on? And the few inexperienced players who like to talk crap and claim DRK's greatness over all the jobs. It makes you look stupid. The more you post, the dumber you look.

Dark is more balanced in terms of dealing damage over a broad range of monsters. They are also better at damaging the MORE fought monster types during leveling. They also have certain dark magics that are helpful depending on what jobs are in your party.

As for missing, thats where equipment comes into play. Any poorly equipped character at high levels with have a hard time doing their job.

You sound like you are maybe 14 ... possibly 15. You are immature and you base your posts on speculation and hearsay. I just had to get this off my chest because it annoys me that someone can be so stubborn to a point they know little about. And keep trying to convince the much more knowledgeable and experienced people here that you are right. Good work making yourself look like an ass though

Oh wait .... I mean .....

Melee you stuck in Fantasy land
Dont make me hit you with back of hand

I teach you to ride fast and danger
Make you most happy, not anger

You learn to write lyric and rap
Stop posting your stupid crap <----- I make this chrous maybe?

Melee you stuck in fantasy land.

[Vinen]

you own.

[neighbortaru]

look, i'm not even a drk (was a mnk tho) and I find you to be idiotic. Your level might not be relevant, but it reflects your experience in the game; of which you are sorely lacking. I'm not going to go into the validity of your assertions, but the sheer fact that you are going ballistic on drk's purely based on log parsers is nothing short of incredible stupidity.

anyone on midgard know this guy and what his malfunction is?

[Varo]

Originally posted by neighbortaru
anyone on midgard know this guy and what his malfunction is?

Believe me, if I knew his ingame name. He would not be able to set foot 3 zones from a city without being met with an angry mob. I'm going to find out soon enough.

[Rhayn]

I had thought the discussion had taken a turn for the better, but since I was obviously wrong, I shall provide my own views on several points that were recently presented. Note that neither my DRK nor my MNK are of significant level and that I am a PLD. It's my job to keep hate off of heavy damage dealers. If the fact I have to control this damage isn't enough to convince you I am fairly unbiased, know that I run a parser about 60% of the time I am fighting and have friends, both monks and dark knights, that would likely support what I say here. Let's begin.

Originally posted by MeleeFighterFF
u saw what high lvl darks put...they barely even hit the enemy..

you dumb ignorant drk's....they whole time u sit around missing missing missing, waiting for the one big hit, a monk is just tooling all over the mob...

First off, he was referring to HNMs, which every melee class has trouble hitting and doing consistant damage too, regardlass of job. Black mages are highly desired for HNM fights because of this, but even they have to deal with high spell resistance. A dark knight that has this much trouble hitting exp monsters is most likely ill-equipped. I've found that they average around 50-80% accuracy for exp mobs, which is about normal for melee classes. If you want me to provide parser logs (since this is obviously the only thing you believe), I can provide some the next time I fight exp-level monsters with a dark knight. I do not have any on hand though since I am in a set party without a DRK, but next time we go coffer key hunting or testimony hunting, I could get some. There are two monks of equivalent level in my linkshell as well. I could get one of them to come along if you like so we can do a side-by-side comparison between DRK and MNK.

why once you are shown that a mnk does in fact do more dmg do u then turn to the GARBAGE shield of "well, drk isn't just about dmg, it's about versatility"...? BULLSHIT! and you know it...your job was created for, and still is, for one purpose: high melee dmg...

If you think that the job was "created... for one purpose: high melee damage", then why are you arguing that "they're no bigtime damage dealers"? Congratulations, you basically contradicted yourself. Also, you've never actually shown us anything, not even a link to the logs which you claim provide a preponderance of evidance against dark knights.

lemme guess, you're going to put at the fact im lvl 19, even though that's not what my sig says...

At the time of that posting, your profile information did state you were a level 19 MNK. Even still, it's obvious from your sig that you've never been in an exp party with even a moderate level Dark Knight. Popular concensus says that before level 40, in general you will have no idea of every jobs true capabilities, and yet you sit here with a level 30 Warrior as your highest job arguing what role a dark knight plays over 30 levels higher than you. I too had a level 30 WAR as my highest job once, and when I look back now I realize how little I actually knew then. Not to be insulting to anyone, but I consider anyone without enough play experience to be at least level 40 in one job new to the game dynamics. I'm not trying to call anyone "noobs", but I'd advise that until you've spent enough time to experience high-end gameplay for yourself, you should be willing to listen to the opinions of those that have already walked that path and witnessed all this first-hand. I am only level 65 so I cannot fairly comment on levels much higher, but I feel I can provide a fairly accurate account up until around level 70.

It is true that dark knights will do high melee damage, but there is a reason they have Absorb spells and why some of these (read: Absorb-DEX) go for upwards of 150,000 G. Some are quite useful and until you have witnessed a dark knight using the more powerful Absorb spells yourself, you are in no position to argue their usefulness. Adamantly arguing that something is not useful in your position only makes you look more ignorant and biased.

war/sam's and war/thf's are the "support" melee...not drk's...

While it is true these may play support roles, I've found that more often than not a Warrior will serve as an offensive tank or even main damage dealer. Most high level Warriors serve as tanks because they have the versatility to do so and not take huge damage, especially with a NIN subjob. A simple glace at '/sea all drk 60-75' will confirm that a majority, but not all, are DRK/THFs. Dark knights serve as "support" damage much more often than Warriors (but I'm not saying Warriors cannot fill this job, but that tanks are in general more needed). Also, by "support" I'm not insinuating that DRKs are not considered high damage dealers, but that they have other traits to provide as well, such as trick attack for hate control if they have a thief subjob, the Absorb spells, and a bit of weapon versatility (scythe or greatsword are both strong options). In general monks are not considered "support" damage dealers because unless they are MNK/THF, they have little to offer besides melee damage.

my question is after we've agreed that a war, mnk, blm and in some cases dragoon outdmg a dark knight, what's even the purpose to your job class existing?

I fail to find anywhere where we all agreed that these classes always or even consistantly outdamage a dark knight, especially a dragoon. Square-Enix tried to balance the jobs so that no single job will be "teh ub3r l33t pwnzor", but that equipment, party setup, prey, and player skill would all effect these. I admit that some jobs are unbalanced (dragoon needs some serious adjustment), but in general I have found this to be true.

well ive heard quite a bit about SE further nerfing dark knight to start phasing it out of this "uber" image it's achieved with you NOOB BALLS which is great, being that your job class shouldnt even exist in the first place...

they're doing the bright thing...gradually phasing this mistake class out of the game

Where have you heard this? Do you have an links or references? Or are you once again pulling information out of thin air without any support? Provide some support for this arguement and I might take your post more seriously.

I serously doubt Square-Enix would phase an established melee job out of the game. As a company, they of course want to appeal to the greatest number of people. Destroying one of their popular jobs is not smart business and I think Square-Enix knows it. Just because you have an irrational hatred for Dark Knights doesn't mean everyone else does or that Square-Enix is going to succumb to your will.

i dont need to even play the game once to be able to read all these forums and read parsers...my lvl is IRRELEVANT...

Apparently you read these forums, but I'm not sure you actually listen to what anyone with an opposing view says. There have been several good points so far in this post and I'm not entirely certain you took the time to read them all or process them. And regarding parser logs.. not only does this only give data for one specific instance or party, but it fails to accurately portray a jobs role as a whole. Most parsers give you damage totals and accuracy ratings and that is all. Are you going to argue that Paladins suck because we have bad accuracy and damage? How about White Mages or Bards?

While the situation with Dark Knights is less extreme, as we've already said Dark Knights do have the opportunity to offer than just melee damage and no log parser can portray this. The ability to help control hate that Trick Attack can provide is one of the biggest things that Thieves and level 60+ melees with a thief subjob have going for them, but this will not appear in a log. To say that you level is irrelevant is like saying you're qualified for cardiac surgery because you read a medical journal on it. As much as you think you might know from your readings, there is no experience like first-hand experience, no matter how you argue it.

I'd suggest you drop the arguement until you're high enough level to experience this for yourself, but I doubt you will because you'll always be able to find some random parser log that shows "omgzorz!!11!! This MNK did 400 more dmg than this DRK in this fight!!one!" and will take that single fight or party as compounding evidence that the Monk job is superiour to Dark Knight in evey way.

As I said earlier, I cannot guarantee anything since I'm not going to go out of my way to get some log comparing Monk to Dark Knight since I know that their stength is situational, but if I ever do end up in that situation, I'll be sure to post it so that everyone can make more broad generalizations based on that single party setup.

That is, after all, what we want to do, right?

I don't usually take this aggressive a stance on these types of arguements, but on this one I could not help myself. I hope that by now you've realized each post and "fact" you provide only makes you seem more inexperienced and fails to significantly support your arguement at all. This will probably be my last post in this thread unless it takes a turn toward rational discussion. I know from personal experience how these jobs perform and am through arguing with stubburn individuals who simply refuse to accept that they just might have not been 100% correct. If someone wants to start a decent discussion, I'll gladly add my own comments, but it is pointless to argue with someone who will not listen.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[neighbortaru]

/cheer rhayn

[Ill_Mitch]

Rhayn ride fast and danger with most skill!!
He make many fan with word like this he has said!!

I give thumb up to you!

I also like sweat drop face!! He so cute!!!
Make me think of how Melee feel when reading word of Rhayn.
Very sweaty with nervous.

[Ill_Mitch]

Originally posted by Ill_Mitch
Rhayn ride fast and danger with most skill!!
He make many fan with word like this he has said!!

I give thumb up to you!

I also like sweat drop face!! He so cute!!!
Make me think of how Melee feel when reading word of Rhayn.
Very sweaty with nervous.

Oh I make very very mistake in my word!!!

Apologize to you Rhayn!
I am not meaning to call you man!

[Nameless]

I'm not a DRK and I have nothing to add to this thread but Ill mitch > melee

Mitch for president.