The TP nerf is a good thing!

[Monoxcide]

After reading we would only get 15.5% TP back from Guillotine I was extremely upset seeing im lvl 52 and was looking forward to Guillotine but I looked at it more indepth and I actually think its a good thing.

1) Dragoons can't out power us anymore. No more penta spam even if they sub samurai. Square realized the #1 melee damage dealer (Us ^.^) was being beat by penta spam. With the TP nerf we once again move to the top.

2) Samurais are once again the kings of TP. With multi hit weapons skills giving back 50-60% TP sam's were having hard times keeping up most of the time. Now we'll be the ones playing catch-up, like it should be.

3) Instead of spam, Skill Chains will play an even more important in defeating your enemy rather than hitting a button over and over. Lots of strategy involved hitting a button over and over /sarcasm.

4) All the babies quitting because they cant deal with it get me more invites

5) Guillotine still has draw dropping damage

[Xephoid]

yeah, just your farming take twice as long

Everyone get nerfed, that's true. But now that hauberk you want will take you twice as long to farm for the money. Enjoy.

[Weezingpipes]

1) Dragoons can't out power us anymore. No more penta spam even if they sub samurai. Square realized the #1 melee damage dealer (Us ^.^) was being beat by penta spam. With the TP nerf we once again move to the top.

Apparently you've never met a MNK.

2) Samurais are once again the kings of TP. With multi hit weapons skills giving back 50-60% TP sam's were having hard times keeping up most of the time. Now we'll be the ones playing catch-up, like it should be.

For those who actually know, SAM won't really be vastly out-tping anyone. I still built tp faster than a SAM without Penta Thrust...Penta just meant being significantly ahead.

3) Instead of spam, Skill Chains will play an even more important in defeating your enemy rather than hitting a button over and over. Lots of strategy involved hitting a button over and over /sarcasm.

Good players know and always have known skillchains are better than spamming WS (of course, spamming Asuran Fists on bones is pretty good....). While it may surprise you that skillchains are useful, its nothing new. You really think there is much skill in timing skillchains by the way? TP management took more skilll than just doing skillchains, which TP management doesn't exist anymore.

4) All the babies quitting because they cant deal with it get me more invites

Simply based on this post I wouldn't group with you because...

5) Guillotine still has draw dropping damage

That made me laugh.

[surlung]

Re: The TP nerf is a good thing!

Originally posted by Monoxcide
After reading we would only get 15.5% TP back from Guillotine I was extremely upset seeing im lvl 52 and was looking forward to Guillotine but I looked at it more indepth and I actually think its a good thing.

1) Dragoons can't out power us anymore. No more penta spam even if they sub samurai. Square realized the #1 melee damage dealer (Us ^.^) was being beat by penta spam. With the TP nerf we once again move to the top.

2) Samurais are once again the kings of TP. With multi hit weapons skills giving back 50-60% TP sam's were having hard times keeping up most of the time. Now we'll be the ones playing catch-up, like it should be.

3) Instead of spam, Skill Chains will play an even more important in defeating your enemy rather than hitting a button over and over. Lots of strategy involved hitting a button over and over /sarcasm.

4) All the babies quitting because they cant deal with it get me more invites

5) Guillotine still has draw dropping damage

Sorry I can't help myself.

You are a moron. You don't fix something by making them "worse". You fix by improving. All in all, this is a blow in the face to ALL melee because guess what, our dmg falls more behind mages now.

[SlipA]

haha guillo has far from great damage ><. Like penta, its redeeming factor was tp gain, and that the next guillo was coming up within a minute. If you use souleater and sacrifice 500+ hp of your life, then you can *barely* match mithra dancing edge once every 6 minutes. /hurray

[BurgerDog]

Originally posted by SlipA
haha guillo has far from great damage ><. Like penta, its redeeming factor was tp gain, and that the next guillo was coming up within a minute. If you use souleater and sacrifice 500+ hp of your life, then you can *barely* match mithra dancing edge once every 6 minutes. /hurray

Of course, all this matter because? Some morons need to realize Guillotine is no where near close what Spinning Slash and Cross Reaper do. Oh my god? Yes, we have insanely better ws after Guillotine. With sneak + spinning slash i could do 800+ damage on IT mobs

[Tidane]

Why? Because Guillotine was the first WS we got that didn't totally suck ass. Atleast it could do damage.


They should've just made the update a day earlier, 420.

[SlipA]

because some of us are still between 60 and 66, and its guillo or vorpal scythe, take your pick.

[Zafron]

Originally posted by Tidane
They should've just made the update a day earlier, 420.

That would have been poetic lol.

[Pushbutton]

You are a moron. You don't fix something by making them "worse". You fix by improving. All in all, this is a blow in the face to ALL melee because guess what, our dmg falls more behind mages now.


Hey Surlung, i take it from this post that this is probebly ur 1st MMORPG and if not, you never played DAOC. Nurfing is how all things are fixed in MMORPG's b/c its quicker and cheaper for a company to make 1 thing worse then it is to make everything else better. Stop bitching and deal with the fact that u dont get the TP u used to. Try changing ur playstyle to deal with the change rather then flame other people b/c u cry urself to sleep at night knowing that u cant spam gillo..... o no.... drks suck!!!! -_-

[Pushbutton]

Originally posted by Surlung
You are a moron. You don't fix something by making them "worse". You fix by improving. All in all, this is a blow in the face to ALL melee because guess what, our dmg falls more behind mages now.

Hey Surlung, i take it from this post that this is probebly ur 1st MMORPG and if not, you never played DAOC. Nurfing is how all things are fixed in MMORPG's b/c its quicker and cheaper for a company to make 1 thing worse then it is to make everything else better. Stop bitching and deal with the fact that u dont get the TP u used to. Try changing ur playstyle to deal with the change rather then flame other people b/c u cry urself to sleep at night knowing that u cant spam gillo..... o no.... drks suck!!!! -_-

[Ednoon]

this patch is pretty much making Sam more unique, think too many sam stop playing after 60 or something

[surlung]

Originally posted by Pushbutton
Hey Surlung, i take it from this post that this is probebly ur 1st MMORPG and if not, you never played DAOC. Nurfing is how all things are fixed in MMORPG's b/c its quicker and cheaper for a company to make 1 thing worse then it is to make everything else better. Stop bitching and deal with the fact that u dont get the TP u used to. Try changing ur playstyle to deal with the change rather then flame other people b/c u cry urself to sleep at night knowing that u cant spam gillo..... o no.... drks suck!!!! -_-

hm.

First, he's post IS moronic, read his first post. He says tp nerf is not that bad cause this puts drk in front of drg dmg... orz

2nd, I've played enough daoc to know what mythic did.

3rd, it doesn't matter how long mmorpg has been around. It's wrong to downgrade something to fix a problem.

Last, you didn't read my post correctly, i said nothing about drk. I said that melee in general is getting shafted. See the big picture? Please stop posting stupid threads.

[Lodoss]

Hey, Uh.. you guys say that "All Melees are affected" but.. Im kinda happy about this, now you dmg dealers cant steal my agro as well with your WS Spam and whatnot, (well go ahead and steal it if you want to and die ), I think whenever people QUIT becuase of ONE alteration in their class is evidence enough that it needed to be changed, and Downgrade can be a good thing, especially when something is abused and other tactics are exluded for it. Im assuming this is one of the biggest reasons they changed it, to see some fludity in tactics and diversivness.

Now you all can get over Guillotine and Pentathrust. And word up to Mono, only drk ive ever met that actually has some control over his class and isnt some insane dmg freak. Just a humble PLDs opinion.

[Mdude]

Hey, Uh.. you guys say that "All Melees are affected" but.. Im kinda happy about this, now you dmg dealers cant steal my agro as well with your WS Spam and whatnot, (well go ahead and steal it if you want to and die ), I think whenever people QUIT becuase of ONE alteration in their class is evidence enough that it needed to be changed, and Downgrade can be a good thing, especially when something is abused and other tactics are exluded for it. Im assuming this is one of the biggest reasons they changed it, to see some fludity in tactics and diversivness.

Now you all can get over Guillotine and Pentathrust. And word up to Mono, only drk ive ever met that actually has some control over his class and isnt some insane dmg freak. Just a humble PLDs opinion.



Dipshit, it DOES effect you... now you have weakass melees that cant take down mobs as fast as before...so guess what? You work HARDER for your EXP. And apparently you didnt know that we get Vorpal Blade at 60, our only WS that did halfway decent damage to ITs(Seraph blade sucks ass). Not only that, but you could use it 2-3 times a battle because of the TP gain which = more hate for you, instead of a 300% Spirits within every 3 battles.

I for one, don't like having to work significantly harder for my exp, and nobody else does either. On a side note, a good PLD knows how to keep his teammates from getting aggro, you saying that it makes aggro control easier is an incredibly stupid reason to welcome this nerf.

On a side note, who ever said that DRK were SUPPOSED to be the best melee in the game? kind of a retarded comment, because the point is to balance out the melee's effectiveness, not to put one single class on the DMG-dealing throne.