Drk/sam

[Telok]

This isnt another post about which subjob is better...
Im just wondering... if you were a 60drk/30sam... you could basically skillchain if you wanated by yourself, using meditate (at least i heard)... My question is... can you skillchain with meditate and then magic burst? That would be really cool if you could
Thanks...

[kumaeru]

you cant renkei by yourself using meditate.

Meditate makes you're tp bar goto 60% only.

Say if you use Guillotine and had all 4 swings connect (50% TP) you would only get 10% TP when you meditate.


Although meditate would be nice to have after you do crossreaper or if you are lvling from 60-65 and need to use vorpal scythe to fit the renkei cause of a Thf in the PT.


Crossreaper gets you 25% TP back, and Meditate will give you 35%.

Vorpal Scythe gets you 12% back, and Meditate will give you 45%.


Having meditate after you do a low TP return WS lets you able to WS guillotine or any other WS soon after much faster.


Actually I am forgetting about TP store which gets you more TP per hit :/. Using Meditate after Guillotine is a waste, but using meditate after Vorpal, or Crossreaper is still a good thing.

[Tidane]

Are you sure about that? I was almost sure if you Gullotine'd for 50% TP, Meditate would take you to 110%, adding 60% to your current TP. Maybe I was misinformed, can someone clear this up?

[MAK]

if you sub sam and all hits connect you get 57tp back meditate will give you 60% tp regardless

[albert lee]

what mak says...

[Telok]

Hmm thats cool... i thought med would give you back 100% tp... guess i was wrong... But lets say ther's a level 30 sam that has blm subbed... and then he uses sam's 2 hour, creates a sc, and then would he basically have enough time to burst ?

[kumaeru]

well Samurais can self renkei themselves

they do Scission > Liquifaction > Scission > Liquifaction and then I think it stops. Around 4 WS's with the Sam 2hr.

You would only be able to self burst on the last liquifaction with Fire. This of course is no where close, damage wise, to : Pentathrust > Pentathrust > Pentathrust > Pentathrust that Sam's can do at higher lvls .. of course there is no renkei.. just 4 dmging multihit WS'

[yzfr6]

wtf?? meditate raises your tp bar to 60 percent regardless? that sucks shit. i thought it added 60 percent tp to whatever you had. so if you have 50 percent...you would then have 110 percent after meditate.

[MAK]

if you have 40% tp it brings it to 100% YOU GET 60% TP from it. I think guillotine>shadow or nightmare conects so you can renkei with yourself IF guillo can land its hits.

[Xephoid]

do this

Gullotine > Shadow of Death, Lv 2 Fragmentation > Magic burst with Aero 2. (aero2 might be hard to burst due to casttime, but maybe if you are good. :D If not, there is always Thunder or Aero, but mostly as a joke.)

Self renkei and self magic burst.

[Kailo]

So then would it be possible to use a guillo to SC with the PT, then use med and pull off an extra guillo? If thats the case, then why are people saying that /sam sucks so much now?

[Izual]

The reason most people don't sub samurai isn't because it's a bad sub, it's just that war (and thf after 65) are better overall. I won't comment on how strong /thf is because I haven't finished leveling it yet, but here's why war is generally better than sam.

First off, guillotine isn't as strong as you think it is. It's a nice weaponskill, but it's really just like every other mutli-hit. Occasionally you'll get some big numbers, but for the most part it's in the 300-600 range.

Meditate can only be used once every 3 minutes, and 60% tp isn't that much. If you account for a warrior sub's double attack, he can almost make up for that extra tp, and he's doing extra damage as well.

Even if you are getting more tp, most of the time you won't be going every time you hit 100% anyway. You'll likely have a skillchain set up, and you'll end up waiting for someone. Extra tp does not add damage on guillotine, so it's basically wasted. Also...

A drk/war's guillotine is stronger than a drk/sam's guillotine. Do not underestimate how effective berserk is. As you get higher, the difference it makes becomes more and more obvious. Berserk adds a lot of damage to multi-hit weaponskills, so drk/sam will not be able to match drk/war in damage per weaponksill.

At 65 you get cross reaper, which does scale up in damage with extra tp. However, /sam is still not very effective because 1)lack of berserk for the weaponskill, and 2)if you're grouped with a thf, not having provoke will make setting up fuidama difficult.

It might be nice to have sam leveled for missions/skill-up/etc., but I wouldn't recommend using it for leveling.