besides pld as the main tank

[albert lee]

is it just me, or does other tanks seem gimp compared to pld? last night i got a pt with no tank, so we searched around everywhere and finally found a war. the war could barely hold hate from the mages, and me (drk). i had to tank because the war would loose hate too often. i know it'll get easier once wars get their AF gear, but from lvl 40-52, wars just dont cut it. same with nin, or is it just me?:sweat:

this is without thief, but i'm guessing it'll be the same.

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is this the same at higher lvls?

[Pandar]

Same problem I had with a pretty good party last night but the warrior didn't know or couldn't keep the hate so I had to be the main tank. I did alright as a tank. But I've seen a few warriors that are better tanks then paladins since they actually know how to keep the hate <_<

[willum]

LOL, I had the same problem the other day, but mine was a little worse. I had a level 40war/20thief main "tank". Who kept telling me to voke so he could sneak attack :confused: . In any case what happened was i would voke so he could sneak then he would voke off me repeat. It really sucked cause I felt like I was a level 25 warrior leveling in quifm with the mob running around in circles and everyone chasing it :dead:

[Socrates]

yeah war loses aggro most of the time.

especially if you're outdamaging him by a lot, you'll be tanking more than he does ><.

if war is tanking, you probably need good thf to keep up or aggro is gonna ping pong its way to your death.

[willum]

yeah war loses aggro most of the time.

especially if you're outdamaging him by a lot, you'll be tanking more than he does ><.

if war is tanking, you probably need good thf to keep up or aggro is gonna ping pong its way to your death.

I agree 100%. Also all Abils are wasted in that setup. I can't use Berserk with that much agro, and souleater well I'm sure that would have me face up before the mages knew WTF happened.

[Ednoon]

a war/whm can do as good as a pal/war holding aggro, yes it sucks when tank can't hold aggro. i have seen 20 of "Unable to see xxxx" "xxxx is out of range" in one fight before. 20 swing of scythe gone right there. agrro control also means more dmg i must say

[Izual]

Warriors have some trouble keeping hate on their own, even with AF. But with a thf in the group it works just fine. They also do more damage than a paladin, so the group's total dps will be higher.

[Dredge]

WAR/MNK
SAM/WAR
NIN/WAR
RDM/WAR

can all tank effectively, especially if there is a thf in the party.

[snake868]

Yeah WAR is not a good tank compares to PLD. If u dont have a PLD in your pt then your fighting strategy will change. Just wondering if the WAR takes food like tortilla will that help a bit ?

[Sano's]

Human pld or Mirtha, they both have same amount of mp, can hold aggro very easily, Provoke+CureIII = more hate than most blm spells...
dont' say it's the job that sucks... it's the PLAYER that controls it.

after most long pt's i find myself being asked if i can be added to people's friends lists... hehe (i think at times i feal like i have a "code of the pld" i have to fillful and even if i have yellow hp, and the monste is running to the innoncent taru's on the back line, i must voke and fight it head on!)

[Argonic]

Originally posted by Sano's
Human pld or Mirtha, they both have same amount of mp, can hold aggro very easily, Provoke+CureIII = more hate than most blm spells...
dont' say it's the job that sucks... it's the PLAYER that controls it.

after most long pt's i find myself being asked if i can be added to people's friends lists... hehe (i think at times i feal like i have a "code of the pld" i have to fillful and even if i have yellow hp, and the monste is running to the innoncent taru's on the back line, i must voke and fight it head on!)

Ummm, no one was questioning the PLD job's ability to hold hate, many were questioning the WAR job's ability to hold hate.

I think WAR can hold hate well if they have WHM sub/a THF doing trick off of them or really high damage. The problem with WHM sub is that you don't have as much HP and DEF as /MNK and if you have high damage you generaly don't have very good DEF. WAR does well at low levels but in the mid to high range they loose some of their effectiveness as a tank. I think this is because provoke seems to scale in hate at a slower rate than peoples damage. Just IMHO of course.

[Zaptruder]

Drk/thfs with another thief around to fuidama onto the dark can be a real chore to hold hate for... I've even had that combo rip hate from invincible! :p