guilotines dmg pathetic?

[lininmobs]

i was reading some guys post about his guilotine dmg and he said it does from 15-300 dmg. now 300 dmg i can understand but 15,thats just pathetic. i dont even see how he could get that amount,unless hes got craptacular equipment.:confused: :mad: :confused:


heres the link http://forums2.warcry.com/flat_read....&thread=133189

[imac2much]

Holy cow, there's a thread TWO lines down, addressing the same issue. Don't tell me you're THAT lazy >_<

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32231

anyways, don't put too much faith in warcry forums (as well as gamefaqs, ign boards, etc), as they generally don't have much to back it up. From what I've noticed people rarely even put their character info, and you can't really trust they are who they are or really know anything from experience.

If he only does 15-200 damage with Guillo, he is truly pathetic. I don't even see how that's possible. If you get at least 1 hit with Guillo, it's not going to do 15 damage unless he has REALLY crappy attack (using defender?) and he's fighting some IT monster with a guard/shell effect like crabs or beetles. He probably has the worst available equipment as well. No sniper rings, no vassago scythe, etc etc. He shouldn't complain then, since he's a subpar DRK.

I teamed with 2 DRK in my PT 2 nights ago and it was a VERY effective PT. PLD/WAR, DRK/THF, DRK/SAM, BLM/WHM, WHM/BLM, RDM/WHM. The DRK/THF would always Trick+guillo on me (probably used LR when she could) for 300-450 damage each time. DRK/SAM could use 2+ Guillos per battle doing 250-400 damage each time. When they stacked souleater the damage would go behind 700-800. Mind you, this is without Berserk (neither subbed WAR), and I don't think they had sniper rings either (though they had the Vassago, very important). Don't let bad players make you lose faith. Guillo isn't super godly at all, but neither is it a crappy WS that does 15 damage.... it's very useful at least until you get Cross Reaper.

[Sorath]

in fact its useful even AFTER you get cross reaper for many situations when you might be farming (faster tp gain compared to cross reaper) and in dmg over time cases.
the guy who said it does 15-300... well... i'll take whatever it is he's smoking.

[Awntawn]

TP Run:

DRK: 100%
PLD: 43%

Guillotine, 450 dmg (IT, meaning lower damage figures)

DRK: 50%
PLD: 50%

It's useful. The only way it can do insanely horrible damage is if your accuracy is too low to hit the monster (either you're too weak or the monster is too strong) and/or it used a def up/evade up buff. In any case, if you consider that to be the determining factor of how good a WS is, your a retard. A WS is only as good as the circumstances allow it.

One of the monsters you'll fight often after getting guillo are the processionares (crawlers) in boyahda tree. Multi-hit WS's like guillo, penta, and rampage simply *****DESTROY****** crawlers, and on them with war sub and a bard, you can easily do 800 damage guillos without souleater or last resort on IT. On crawlers-type creatures, multi-hit WS Spam > skillchain. On other monster types, however (like cockatrices), you'll notice that multi-hit WS's suffer quite a bit.

One word. Processionare. This little crawler in Boyahda tree is what makes everyone who says "skillchain is a stupid waste of time, and black magic gets weaker as you level up" say that. Whenever someone tells you that, I'll bet you that they're probably level 64~67. On processionares, dancing edge does 1200+, guillo does 700 on average, penta 600+, rampage 500+...

On your average IT at higher levels, guillo does ~450, penta ~300, rampage ~250, dancing edge 650~700. Heck, even sidewinder is down to ~650. All of this is subpar to a consistent 700~1100 damage level 225 WS with the damage mirrored as a level 3 skillchain effect, then adding a 1200 damage magic burst.

The truth is, this WS isn't godly. No WS is godly; they just seem powerful on certain monsters, but are weak vs most others. Powerful level 3 skillchains and magic bursts with level 4 black magic and level 3 ga spells, on the other hand, are always reliable and usually necessary in higher levels.

[Bladers]

all i can say is i was in a party with a lvl 66 drk, guillotine doing 900+ damage

[Awntawn]

Originally posted by Bladers
all i can say is i was in a party with a lvl 66 drk, guillotine doing 900+ damage

what did i tell you :p 64~67 on processionares :p

[Argonic]

Originally posted by Awntawn
No WS is godly

What about the MNKs 8 hit WS? :p

I'm soooo jealous of MNKs with that WS.:mad: :p

[bside]

Originally posted by Argonic


What about the MNKs 8 hit WS? :p

I'm soooo jealous of MNKs with that WS.:mad: :p

lets mobs use their specials too often that WHM's cry out w/ too many "i'm blind" party chat, and RDM's and BRD's get tired of keep casting Dispell and Finale. the same goes to every multi-hit WS' tho.

damage? around 1000 against pots up in the sky.

[Xephoid]

only, only had it for about 10K exp so far

But the damage is much better than the last WS (vorpal scythe).

Didn't do 1000+ damage on the IT like I thought it would (oh well). But the when I first got it (ding 200!), I broke out souleater + gullotine, did I think was 647 on the IT raptor. Without souleater, 350-500 seems to be most common.

Still, the THF and their fuidamaed dancing edge does more than guilotine, they seem to do 700+ pretty consistantly on IT's.

But that's only if they got something to fuidama off of. XD When farming, they can't light a candle to the all mighty guillotine.

Yesterday, I was lvling my THF sub a bit in Kazham (lvl 25), the gobs were constantly giving the parties there trouble. So I offered to help. Went and got my DRK. Killed the gob near the gate, when 3 more popped in the area

Trained those 3 goblin smithies to the zone. Everyone didn't know what was going on was like "OMG! TRAIN!" Broke out guillotine, killed all 3 smithies in like 1 minute max. Did something like 9xx damge on the first one, and 2 more, one of which I had a double attack kick in, made it nearly 1200 damage. When I was finished, there were like 20 people from the parties there just staring at me.... everyone was O.O! I guess they were all newbies, never seen guilltoine before.

[Argonic]

Originally posted by bside


lets mobs use their specials too often that WHM's cry out w/ too many "i'm blind" party chat, and RDM's and BRD's get tired of keep casting Dispell and Finale. the same goes to every multi-hit WS' tho.

damage? around 1000 against pots up in the sky.

But what about with the MNK relic armor? :p

(not that we will see many people with it, heh.)

[Socrates]

got dammit, i want guillotine. :spin:

/showoff

[kumaeru]

Originally posted by Argonic


But what about with the MNK relic armor? :p

(not that we will see many people with it, heh.)

Heh

Galka Mnk + Relic AF (+22% HP) = :dead:

[Awntawn]

MNK's 8-hit WS more or less exactly the same as guillotine on IT mobs.

[albert lee]

finally 60^^, i just go kill things for fun now. farming is a breeeze. hahaha. one guillotine kills tigers. i'm so fukin happy you don't understand... well most of you guys do:p the fact that i get more than 25 tp really makes me happy. i guess its because of all the sucky ws lvl 4-49.... hahahhaha. even if guillotines not the best weapon skill in the drk arsenal, it sure as hell looks fukin cool.