Dark Knight/Red Mage and my experiences with it so far

[Boss_Tuff]

all most nobody assumes roles.. and people who do are D&D weirdos.. lol.

If I remember correctly, this is an MMORPG, a Massively Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING GAME. You're supposed to assume the role of your character and have a fun time playing as that role. This game is no where near a kin to Quake III or Counterstrike or UT. In those games your main goal is to shoot someone before they shoot you. Sure there's lots of killing in FFXI (I mean how else are you going to level but there's more to the game than that. You have a plethora of quests that you can undertake and you can interact with people from all over the world.

funny thing is, this game has a mold that is too tough to break.

The game isn't just about getting experience and leveling and being "the best" stat wise, it's about having a good time. The mold is too tough to break for people who don't want to put the effort forth to create a character they would enjoy. There's no "rule" that says that a NIN is only good as a tank, or a DRK is only good for just melee attacks. This in turn brings us to this quote:

Yes you can play whatever you want but you also have to take other things, like party invites, in consideration.

You can get party invites with any class that you play. There's always going to be people out there who want you for some reason or another, sometimes it'll just take longer to get an invite. I'm having no problems getting invites as a taru MNK/WAR, even if they supposedly "suck". There's always going to be a party out there that will invite you into them because they want to have a good time. You don't have to worry about not being able to party with fellow NA players because the game has been out here long enough that there's going to be NA players to party with. It would only really matter in the high up levels (ie. 65+), where it's obvious that there won't be many NA players.

Play what you want and have fun doing it, don't follow what everyone else says because it's the "only" way you can do something. The people that say that have obviously not seen the diversity among all the high level characters. Most of the opinions stated in this thread are based on theory and not fact. Once you guys get to level 75, and prove to me that the only way to get to 75 is by doing the main/sub that you did, then maybe I'll listen to you. But then again, I just may go out and level the exact opposite to prove you wrong.

[albert lee]

you assume roles of a "terrorist" or a "enforcement agent" or a "space alein" or "whatever fighters" lol. yes this game is grouped in a MMORPG class, but without roleplay, its not a real RPG.
i'm up for having fun, but i don't consider fun at lvl 30 + where your unique way of playing doesn't get pt invites and just chill at whatever lvling spot or jeuno for hours not being able to get a pt who wants someone that plays normally, not funky.
we get these so called "theories" from higher lvl players(65+) on this forum. go prove them wrong.

[Shuugo]

Originally posted by albert lee
funny thing is, this game has a mold that is too tough to break. it doesn;t really give room to grow. if you can distribute your stats, then you would have farther options. but the thing is, you can't. with every job, the stats are geared to do what do best. i don't know about you, but this game is a game not a RPG, it's like saying counterstrike is an RPG. or Quake is an RPG. all most nobody assumes roles.. and people who do are D&D weirdos.. lol.

.. wtf... did you just read the ending of my post? read more carefully.

Your first two sentences are the only part that doesn't go with your structure of:

1) Whine about no stat distribution
2) Conclude right after your whine that it is not an rpg.

[albert lee]

ur a dumbfuk, how was that whineing? i was responding to a previous post. can you read that? I WAS RESPONDING TO A PREVIOUS POST is that better for you?

*edit
and i like that there is no stat distribution. and that was not a whine about no stat distribution. god your a moron.

[l)@RK-l)EVIL]

guys you forget something

every level you become higher
you will lose your magic power and you will understand that drk is not good with magic (he is good not only good master of the dark magic) you will get thunderI level 35 blm get it lv 21 who need thunder1 level 35
my norml hit with the scythe is 60~90 without berserk last resort .......

when i use thunder i only do 50 or 40 damage vs crawler (they are weak vs thunder)

your magic power is only drain aspir drain-STR-DEX-VIT-MND.......

DRK/RDM yes alot better than DRK/WAR when you solo

i was in pt and we want another damage dealer
and we see then drk/rdm all say wtf with this drk

you will only get invite from noob pt :p
i remember lv 11 i was drk/rdm (solo) then i seek
when they know most of them send me tell why in the hell you sub rdm bishop was in the pt he tell me the same loool

[TokeN]

has everyone here read the arguing over job combinations thread? I think it is a really important thread everyone should look thru before they tell what people should do. and albert, it seems that you get in alot of fights. hmmm i wonder why...

[Shuugo]

Originally posted by albert lee
ur a dumbfuk, how was that whineing? i was responding to a previous post. can you read that? I WAS RESPONDING TO A PREVIOUS POST is that better for you?

*edit
and i like that there is no stat distribution. and that was not a whine about no stat distribution. god your a moron.

First of all, my second post pointed out how more than half your first post was in subject material of what I had said in response to:

.. wtf... did you just read the ending of my post? read more carefully.

Also, it doesn't matter if you were responding to someone else's post, your own opinions are stated. If you are offended that I percieved your opinions as whining, then maybe you need a vacation. I percieved your opinions as whining due to the structure of your first post I responded to:

funny thing is, this game has a mold that is too tough to break. it doesn;t really give room to grow. if you can distribute your stats, then you would have farther options. but the thing is, you can't. with every job, the stats are geared to do what do best. i don't know about you, but this game is a game not a RPG, it's like saying counterstrike is an RPG. or Quake is an RPG. all most nobody assumes roles.. and people who do are D&D weirdos.. lol.

No room to grow
No stat distribution
Not an rpg.

Not only does the structure matter, but the tone and voice of your post. The little bit that you add at the end when you say people who actually role play are weirdos, shows your skepticism in this material. That alone can make it seem like a whine.

No need to throw tantrums; I understand what you are saying. Maybe my analysis of your first post was too deep, and maybe I overestimated your structure and voice in english, but my first comment was supposed to be seen as sarcastic as noted by the the :confused: emote. I certainly see FFXI as a rpg in its own right, and if you took offense to my sarcastic opinion, I am truley sorry.

[albert lee]

and albert, it seems that you get in alot of fights. hmmm i wonder why...

because i get fed up with things easily. lol. i just jump to it and call people morons, dumbfuks and shit like that. they point out things and twist what i say that pisses me off. lol.

Not only does the structure matter, but the tone and voice of your post.

yeah my tone of voice. mhmm, i can record my opinions into wave formats and it reflects it through my post. lol.

The little bit that you add at the end when you say people who actually role play are weirdos, shows your skepticism in this material. That alone can make it seem like a whine.

how the hell would that be a whine. did i complain about anything in my previous posts? no. its my fuckin opinion. i'm not enforceing it on anyone.

Maybe my analysis of your first post was too deep

lol you assumed the wrong things. where the hell did i say stat distribution makes a RPG. how the hell can you analyze that deeply, its short comment.

[albert lee]

how the hell does some people posts be like almost a whole page, my room to post seems to end after a while.

Also, it doesn't matter if you were responding to someone else's post, your own opinions are stated.

yes it is relevant if you don't understand wtf i was posting. wich seems like you can't understand.

Not only does the structure matter,

its one freakin paragraph, if you haven't noticed there was no structure. i'm sorry im not using proper grammer and capitalizing every first letter in a sentance or how i use abv. words, this is the way i talk in the net. something I do.

but my first comment was supposed to be seen as sarcastic as noted by the the emote.

how the hell does that show your being sarcastic. that emote is for confusion.

[Shuugo]

Originally posted by albert lee yes it is relevant if you don't understand wtf i was posting. wich seems like you can't understand.

*Sigh* you fail to understand yet again. What I'm saying is that your opinion has nothing to do with the previous post you responded to. The opinions stated are YOUR opinions and not the opinions of the previous post. Whether or not you are responding to someones post has NOTHING to do with your own opinions. Your opinions were stated, and I responded to YOUR opinions on the material. Anyone will agree with me here.

its one freakin paragraph, if you haven't noticed there was no structure. i'm sorry im not using proper grammer and capitalizing every first letter in a sentance or how i use abv. words, this is the way i talk in the net. something I do.

Actually, there is a structure, although you may not know it. There are two points and then a concluding fact, which I already pointed out.

how the hell does that show your being sarcastic. that emote is for confusion.

If you look at what I said "Since when did stat distribution make a game a rpg?" and the confused emotes, you can clearly see that I disagree with what you say and that the expression of me being confused was certainly ironic to someone who reads the two together. If you saw they were ironic together, then you could see that I was expressing sarcasm.

yeah my tone of voice. mhmm, i can record my opinions into wave formats and it reflects it through my post. lol.

If you've ever taken an english or literature class, you would know that your choice of words and structure can reflect expression and voice. Your remark on the end of your first post clearly expressed your voice in the subject matter.

[Rantanen]

Arg!!! Stop fighting, mateys!

[Shuugo]

Hai hai HAI! (?K?Þ?K)

[Bigokk McGock]

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Is it me or was Draconis trolling us? No one could be that...


naaaa, gotta be a troll.

Could not even finish reading the post it has so much wrong information in it.

[Draconis]

I wasn't trolling anybody. I was stating my opinion and TRYING to be helpful.


Mayhaps some of us don't agree....but the truth is none of us are experts, even though some of us may think we are.



I am having fun with Red Mage subbed, and it works. That is my choice. ~Shrugs~

As I said, as I go up in levels with this sub, I will provide more information on what I learn. At the very least, it will be helpful to those who come after me on what descisions to make.

Besides...I've Seen high level players who chose Dark/Rdm and High Level Dark/Whm on Ifrit. Both of those combinations in the 70th level range.


It all boils down to what is fun for a person. And as for party invites...that is going to be a problem anyways....there are so many damage dealing classes compared to healers now it isn't funny. Lots and LOTS of Dark knights everywhere.

I choose to play how I do. That is my choice.

And I am not a troll, so please kindly refrain from attempting to place such a label on me. It was not my desire to see this thread, which I intended to be helpful, turn into an argument.

Draconis

[Awntawn]

Summon battles are a different manner; they hit VERY hard... just your mages would have a hard time keeping up with heals, so DRK, since we have a good deal of MP, sub WHM or RDM to help out with the heals. On the other hand, their physical defense is VERY high... like fighting an elemental... so even as DRK you won't be hitting for very much; you're basically there to do some damage and back up on healing.