Sub....

[almighty_boof]

Someone said something about a DRK haveing a good sub as WAR because of provoke? I don't think that you would want to be using provoke if you're a DRK. Low HP low DEF you will get slaughtered. In the ends of the game, you shouldn't even be getting hit. DRK + Peovoke = BAD! But thats just one crappy ability that the WAR has, you shouldn't become a sub w/ WAR because of THAT! (For the record provoke is an ability I LOVE) Become it for all the passive abilities and all the stat bounses. WAR is the BEST sub for DRK in the game. I don't really wanna sub as a WAR though, because everyone is doing so~ I'm thinking of becoming a DRK/SAM because of the insane amounts of TP^^It's still a possibility to do close to the same amount of DMG as a /WAR because that TP is always going up! I'm not too sure about the thief thing, it's not something that I would consider, but if it works, go for it! All in all WAR is the best sub for DRK but I'm gonna try and be different for a change!

[Drynavere]

That whole thread is about 20% true man...=/ hate to say it.

/WAR is not NECESSARILY the best sub for DRK. Yes, its the most useful with the passive boosts, and berserk, and everything it gives. But it depends what you want your DRK to be doing. If you soloing HNM's that are a bunch lvl's lower, or farming, /WHM is the best sub.

If your party doesn't have a THF, and you have a high lvl THF job, you can sub /THF, to help direct the hate, and do a few trick and sneak attack combos in there.

If you want to do massive amounts of damage with several guillotines in a row, and probably get so much hate that you'll be THROWN back to your homepoint, then sub /SAM.

It's all in preference man, there is no "This sub is the best. Thats that"

[kumaeru]

o.o;;

Since when are you going to solo any HNM? HNM's are well... immpossible to solo.

NM's sure... not HNM's. Maybe you got them confused.

[Awntawn]

THF sub + 225 WS = total pwnage

[Hisdon]

you jus said in a post a while ago subbin THF was pointes...

[truong]

Hmmm, try subbing THF lol =P

I had the same problem finding PT with Monk subbed, but now that I got my THF up to level and subbing it, even Japanese PTs invite me now, which is a rarity, considering I never get invites from them...

Oh yeah, I'm 49 DRK/THF, taking time off atm farming to get Life Belt, Barbarian Scythe and Valkyrie Mask =D

[Kyo_SR]

Which would be a better sub? Drk/War Drk/Sam and Drk/Thf. I know this has gone on long enuff and im sorry to bring it up but i read somewhere that hate control for Drk/thf, the Yokodama is no longer. So i wonder if Drk/Thf has any other means to control/ transfer hate to the tank? Im asking becuz as a Drk/War in alot of occasions i need to hold back on Berserk and Souleater.

Also for Drk/Thf what is Yokodama and the other Fui.... something and how does it work? Do i have to be behind the mob and just activate trick and sneak attack? Is those way of transfering hate to the tank still in?

[Socrates]

lol, i really hope thf isn't a total waste.

i lv'ed thf to 30 already, bah.

[sdjk]

dont worry its not

[kumaeru]

Originally posted by Awntawn
THF sub + 225 WS = total pwnage

You talk about Cross Reaper right?

I heard the dmg was boosted from the last update, but uhh how good is it really now? ... damage wise.

and using Fuidama? or complete Yokodama.

Fuidama = Sneak attack + non elemental WS (only physical)

Yokodama =

Sneak attack + Trick attack + non elemental WS

OR

Trick attack + WS (not sure if this one is non elemental as well..)


Basically Yokodama is the transfering of hate, both of those combos transfer hate, and is why both are called the same.

[Awntawn]

THF sub is a lot more fun with a lot more running around during fights. Basically, you sub according to your party. For example, a PT config of RNG PLD DRK, I subbed THF to take the hate off the RNG. The skillchain was Arching Arrow > Swift Blade > Fuidama Cross Reaper off PLD. The result was 700~900 > 60~120 + 50 > 700~1000 + 500~1500 (Cross reaper does 400~500 for WAR sub, 700~800 without souleater with fuidama... crazy i know. As for the darkness skillchain damage... it totally pwns flies). The standard Sidewinder > Dancing edge for RNG and THF 1000 > 900 + 400, it completely pwned. THF was totally thrown into the "not needed" bin this update, not because of the nerfing of yokodama, but because the enhancement of the 225 WS's brought light to everything else.

Considering we made 4k per hour with it, I think it ruled. Basically there are these kinds of parties, considering they're all decent. Also is the sub I would use for them:

Mass chain tote: rely on melees with multi-hit WS's and keep going really fast. ~2.5k per hour. Sub war (or sam) and use guillo. Or sub THF, sneak whenever it's ready, just use trick for guillo.

Totetote with BLM: skillchain on totetote and rely on BLM's huge MB and nuking power to kill the monsters. ~3 to 3.5k per hour. Sub war (or sam) and use cross reaper (or guillo if that's for your skillchain, generally cross reaper is much better for totetote, more reliable and generally higher damage)

Totetote with nuke WS: You rely on a skillchain that takes away 2/3 of the monster's life, usually MB will finish it off if the skillchain doesn't, or you charge your TP on the rest of the monster and use it at the start of the next fight again. Previously only possible with THF, now it's for anyone. This method is usually the best exp... Sub THF and finish WS with cross or spin.

Well, there's the monk eat bone for breakfast method... but that has nothing to do with us so we'll ignore it :p

[Razz]

I was just in a PT with DRK/THF who finished renkei with Cross Reaper. Sooo good :D

[Aldo]

Cross Reaper - Ashura Fist is also very powerful.

[Socrates]

awesome!

looks like i did the right thing by lving war and thf subs.

does cross reaper return 24tp?

[Avenger02]

Looks like I have to level up Theif *wince*

Oh well hopefully Treasure hunter will pay off...