Can BLU be healer in a PT?

[Armando]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

I don't like how 1-dimensional WHM are, mines 37 and I can't stand it, I'm going to get more levels on it just to get more teleport spells and thats it.

I liked RDMs for the stuff I could pull off with convert, refresh, and the 2 hours that makes spells instant, and I like the hybridness, I never used RDM for anything but healing but it was nice to have some decent damage spells.

Isn't it hypocritical to call WHM one-dimensional when you've only levelled it to 37, while citing all the things you could do on a post-40 Red Mage? All the WHM-only goodies start appearing after 37, the most noteworthy ones being Stona (39), Flash (45), Repose (48), Curaga III (51), Divine Veil (60), Cure V (61), Regen III (66), Raise III (70), and Curaga IV (71). Not to mention that at 70+ WHM gets a lot more MP-endurance/independence in the form of /SCH's Sublimation.

If I went scholar, how do they compare offensively to RDM? I assume they have stronger black magic.

Scholars are acceptable (above RDM) nukers when needed, but a SCH can't be a nuker AND a main healer at the same time.

[Clever Ninja]

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BLU can heal just fine, you just have to actually gear like a healer. Pre-70 you'll want WHM sub, and after that SCH sub is viable and a better choice due to Sublimination. I've only gotten 2 invites by other people asking me to heal, but I've healed in xp parties that I've made myself several times on my way to 75 and never had an issue.

Diamondhide kinda makes it Scholar-ish and on enemies with MP Magic Hammer helps out a ton since you'll have a Light Staff on and it's boosted by MND, we have several sleeps incase an enemy gets close so it's useful in Dyna, XP and other places. Magic Fruit with enough MND can be one of the most MP efficient heals in the game, and Healing Breeze heals more than . Only downfall is that all Blue Magic heals can only be cast within your immediate party, making it extremely inflexible for some endgame stuff

But it definitely works, I do it in Dynamis on the rare occasion when we're short healers for parties.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I've seen BLU do OK for healing, but if you like healing and also want to be able to do something more than cure/status cure people, I think SCH or RDM would be best

[ospeff]

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Isn't it hypocritical to call WHM one-dimensional when you've only levelled it to 37, while citing all the things you could do on a post-40 Red Mage? All the WHM-only goodies start appearing after 37

I've played with many higher level WHMs, just doesn't interest me, get over it. You can tell when you're not going to like a job by watching how they play, for instance after grouping with hundreds of bards I can tell I am not interested in running back and forth casting songs, I dont need to play it past any level to know that it's not what I want, I dont care how useful they are, not what I want. After grouping with hundreds of Paladins I can tell I wouldn't like them because I don't want to be a tank, so on and so forth, it's obvious stuff, I don't even have to be level 1 to come to this conclusion.

[Armando]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

I've played with many higher level WHMs, just doesn't interest me, get over it. You can tell when you're not going to like a job by watching how they play, for instance after grouping with hundreds of bards I can tell I am not interested in running back and forth casting songs, I dont need to play it past any level to know that it's not what I want, I dont care how useful they are, not what I want. After grouping with hundreds of Paladins I can tell I wouldn't like them because I don't want to be a tank, so on and so forth, it's obvious stuff, I don't even have to be level 1 to come to this conclusion.

If you didn't want me to push the issue further you shouldn't have compared apples to oranges and used that as the basis for your argument. You could've said you've seen how WHM is played at high levels and don't care for it, but you chose to say that you took WHM to 37 and didn't like how one-dimensional it is compared to what RDM can do post-40.

[ospeff]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

It's 37 for Subjob purposes (for RDM ) I knew it was one-dimensional from level 1.

[aegina]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

It's 37 for Subjob purposes (for RDM) I knew it was one-dimensional from level 1.

How about if you ask your question ("Which job should I play?" advice) in a different way:

What things do you like doing? Do you actually LIKE main healing (be it as blu or anything else,) or are you just choosing it because you want easy invites?

What things do you like doing in PT?

[TheGrandMom]

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It's 37 for Subjob purposes (for RDM) I knew it was one-dimensional from level 1.

While rdm is my all time favorite job, whm is NOT "one dimensional". You can not make that assumption if you haven't even leveled the job......and that means taking it all the way to 75.

[ospeff]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

How about if you ask your question ("Which job should I play?" advice) in a different way:

What things do you like doing? Do you actually LIKE main healing (be it as blu or anything else,) or are you just choosing it because you want easy invites?

What things do you like doing in PT?

I like hybridness.

Most of you think in absolutes, I'm not one of those people that accepts complete lack of offensive capabilities just because I can switch to my 75 DD jobs whenever I want.

Granted it's not like I think RDM is the best thing ever, I think it has more dynamic playstyle which makes it more fun, but I don't intend to get it past 65.

Scholars & BLUs seem like something different and more of a hybrid, but it looks like scholars can't really do a BLMs job, BLUs seem more versatile and more of a true hybrid, they basically have a Cure IV equivalent so I don't see why they wouldn't be able to heal when people still use summoners to heal.

I don't care for "invites" I usually make me own groups and I would have a 75 BRD if I want to be an invite whore.

[Elwynn]

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I've played with many higher level WHMs, just doesn't interest me, get over it. You can tell when you're not going to like a job by watching how they play, for instance after grouping with hundreds of bards I can tell I am not interested in running back and forth casting songs, I dont need to play it past any level to know that it's not what I want, I dont care how useful they are, not what I want. After grouping with hundreds of Paladins I can tell I wouldn't like them because I don't want to be a tank, so on and so forth, it's obvious stuff, I don't even have to be level 1 to come to this conclusion.

Most of you think in absolutes, I'm not one of those people that accepts complete lack of offensive capabilities just because I can switch to my 75 DD jobs whenever I want.

Did you ever see any of them in anything other than an XP party? Did you ever see one of them cast Holy or Banish III? Perhaps what is actually one-dimensional is the view you got of WHM by only seeing the boring side of it.

I simply refuse to play in XP parties as WHM. Campaign/Besieged gives me a chance to lolWHMnuke that I would never have in an XP party. Admittedly it's only become really fun now that I've learned how to use Stoneskin + Blink to stay alive longer, but back row heal for multiple hours at a time just doesn't work for me. Plus, when I'm out of MP, I can just sit down and heal. There are other people around who can heal while I recharge.

Tactical WHM is completely different from the XP party grind. It's solo in a group. So I see you fighting something that will probably kill you in 30 seconds even if I heal you? Go ahead, I'll wait for you to KO and drop a Raise instead of taking hate and both of us being KO. But if youre a PLD, I'll give you Haste and heals. You're in a battle scrum slowly losing HP, but still at 75%? I'll sit down and recharge while watching your bar, and drop a Cure 5 at 45%. Nasty orc just aggroed on me? Oops, gotta kite it around, run by sprites to heal, and run through scrums hoping someone pulls it off me.

The only thing I have to keep in mind is that I don't get skill-ups in campaign (there are ways to skill up tagless or in besieged, and I keep magic skills capped), I don't get treasure/crystals (I can farm elementals thanks to /BLM), and I don't get seals (plenty of B-seals from leveling my sub and other jobs, 4 K-seals for G4 thanks to others helping). I started campaign in the high 30s, and I'm taking WHM through campaign all the way to 75.

[hexx]

Re: Can BLU be healer in a PT?

FTFY: a Blue Mage can easily match or even surpass the healing abilities of a Red Mage.

Really, we even talked before about how abysmally underutilized Blue Mage main healing is, Armando, why in the world would you want to discourage it?

What I say to the OP is: go for it! Blue Mage is an incredibly versatile job, and more than capable of such a task. Horridly underadvertized, it is.

White Mage is, for all practical purposes, the king of healing (no matter what Merit parties want to trick themselves in to thinking . . . ), but since you apparently don't like its style, BLU/WHM and BLU/SCH are wonderful alternatives. Really, more people need to learn what Blue Mage is capable of, feel more than free to show them! It would be much appreciated by all involved, assuming you do a good job.

I gotta agree with Yellowmage on this one. Ive known some awesome BLU's who have saved my ass countless times, and as /NIN of all things. A BLU with a healing spell set can do wonders for keeping a PT alive so don't be discouraged by naysayers! BLU's are EXTREMELY versatile and can be played many different ways so enjoy!

[Firewind]

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BLUs are incredible backups healers as magical fruit is actually BETTER than Cure IV and slightly more MP efficient than Cure V.

If you're healing as a BLU you will want a /WHM sub for spells and +MND and load up on +MP and +MND gear. MND effects how much BLU healing spells cure so you will need a nice chunk of it.

And people use SMNs to heal because they have the biggest MP pool of any job in the game if if you have been invited just to heal then the only stats you need are MP and hMP.

Though if you like healing so much level WHM. Calling a job one dimensional is pretty dumb since you have only ever seen WHMs in exp parties out of your own admission. All jobs are one dimensional in exp parties so the very comment was totally made redundant. All RDM does in an exp party is heal and all BLU does in an exp party is deal damage. I agree with everyone else here. WHM is far from one dimensional.

Outside of exp parties WHM can hold it's own on the front line due to having exclusive access to hammers, one of the most powerful single handed weapon types out there and exclusive access to Hexa Strike which is plain devastating if all 6 hits hit (my current damage record is 670 damage with no special gear. I don't even think that I had +Acc gear on) and exclusive access to Mythic Boon (I don't have it yet due to my Nyzul static booting me for a SCH but I heard that it's nice for regaining MP).

WHMs, like RDMs and BLUs also have excellent durability on the front line. Stoneskin plus blink and the highest level protects and shells will let you shrug off hits that will cripple a lot of frontline jobs if the attacks hit them and the durability goes up a lot if shadows from a NIN subjob are added.

WHMs on the front line or soloing are criminally underrated by people who either haven;t tried it or haven't seen it. Now a WHM won't outsolo a RDM or outmelee a BLU but it's still nothing to be laughed at. I'm pretty sure that there is a vid on youtube of a team of nothing but WHMs killing Hydra.

lolWHMnukes are also very powerful in the right hands (read: you actually bother to gear up for it). Sub BLM and stack up on +MND gear, light staff, +Magic attack/Acc +divine magic gear and you can get Banish III to put out some nice numbers. My personal record with nothing much more than the Blessed Set + Noble's Tunic and a Light staff is 700. It was against a Skeleton and I'm fairly sure that it was lightsday. Banish III is also pretty devastating if you cast it on top of a Light Skillchain. Something that a WHM can close with their Hexa Strike WS.

WHM/SCH is also fairly decent for nuking since it will push your elemental magic up to a B instead of it being stuck at the lv37 SCH or BLM's level. It pretty much guarantees than even the crappy tier II nukes you get from a SCH sub will do an okay amount of damage making them fairly decent for magic bursting.

[Malacite]

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Actually I would argue that BLU/SCH could be better for healing a PT. Since healing magic skill greatly affects Wild Carrot, Healing Breeze and Magic Fruit Light Arts would naturally give it a massive boost by 75 since you'd have 256 skill. Pop Addendum: White and you've got most of your /WHM exclusives too (well, status cures anyway)


And with Diamondhide sublimation is a non-issue so you don't even need to be refreshed! You can always dip into dark arts for an aspir + MP drain kiss (does anyone know if dark arts will boost this spell?) for MP recovery.


Really the only thing you're missing out on is Raise, Erase, and AoE buffs which is not that big a deal if you're back up healing. Main healing however it could be a problem. Oh yeah and you also get Conserve MP so that saves you from having to equip spells for that trait.

[Vyuru]

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Dark Arts does not affect MP Drainkiss or Magic Hammer from what I have heard.

And while Aspir is good and all, I doubt I would use it on Colibri due to the mimicry, plus MP Drainkiss gets a nice boost vs them. Imps are dark based and I'd assume to be highly resistant, so I'd prefer to use Magic Hammer on them.

For just about anything else though I think Dark Arts + Aspir would be a good thing.

[Celeal]

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Another option for backup healing is BLU/DNC. It has its restriction but the interesting part is it splits between TP and MP for backup healing/debuff, and dealing damage on top of that.