BLM/RDM question

[Kousai]

okay, mainly what i wanna know is, is blm/rdm alot worse then blm/whm? when i go to this site and i look at the people who post on it's job, i see more blm/rdm then i do blm/whm, and i see a decent amount of blm/rdm's in game... So mainly what i wanna know is if i decide to go blm/rdm(like i originally intended) am i not going to get tp's alot of time or will i still get invited a good amount?

[Mystic Fury]

my main is a blm/rdm and i get pt invites all the time...
so you dont need to worry...quite frankly any of the caster subs (whm rdm or smn) on a blm will get them invites, its just that each has a different benefit, and the pt strategy should work around it, but as a blm/rdm, you should get just as many invites as a blm/whm without a doubt.

[Kousai]

okay thanks was getting worried cause alot of people were telling me blm/whm was alot better and i was stupid for choosing rdm for my subjob, thanks :D

[sabrina]

Not a few melee think BLM of a healer.
To avoid getting an invitation from a leader of that sort, I prefer BLM/RDM to BLM/WHM.

[Rekiem]

If I have to chose between a BLM/WHM or a BLM/RDM Ill take the first one simply because he is more effective. If I pick up a BLM/RDM, it will probably be because theres no one else available. Its not a very effective combo.

[Andry]

both have their uses. i'm thinking of leveling a rdm so i can swap between subs

[Synbios]

Originally posted by Rekiem
If I have to chose between a BLM/WHM or a BLM/RDM Ill take the first one simply because he is more effective. If I pick up a BLM/RDM, it will probably be because theres no one else available. Its not a very effective combo.

Fast cast helps in magic bursting ancient magic, especially with the insane cast time.

[}PuPPeT^MaSTeR{]

Well RDM gives you a higher INT boost, so you'd be doing better all around damage, personally that'd be my choice oveer BLM/WHM, since if it's an effective party, their should already be a full WHM in the first place.

BLM/RDM to me would suggest more of an all out BLM really, since you'll be dishing out the most damage possible for a BLM.

[Maxim]

Fast Cast doesn't help MBing with Ancient Magic. Ancient Magic takes at least 18 seconds to cast, so you have to start casting before the renkei even starts. Fast Cast will reduce the cast time to maybe 15~16 seconds which is still a long time. Either way you will have to still cast before renkei or else you'll completely miss the MB.

The BLM in my PT was MBing with Freeze every fight. Sometimes she got the timing perfect and did 900 damage, and sometimes she totally missed the MB and did normal damage. Fast Cast wouldn't have made a difference since most of the timing depends on how quickly the melees connect their WSes together.

[conaim]

Thanks you to Maxim....

- ya noob NA, stop whining about this stupid Fast Cast ....
I had heard enough of it... (you still couldn't fingured out why Freeze, Tornado ... cost less than 3K in AH ???? )....

- If you want MB to be effeccient, go with the -ga version, level I, level II version and save the MP.

- I don't see any problem timing the burst, even with mid-burst, you just need to get used to it....

- Whitemage sub have about the same INT as Redmage sub.

- Whitemage sub have more MP than Redmage sub (+ 20 to 25) at higher level.

- With Redmage sub, you can't Raise until your main job is 72. I don't know about you, but before I get my butt to 72, I don't like to say "Sorry!! I don't have Raise ;;" when other players is asking for it.... And it would be helpful if the team have at least 2 members that can raise incase your Whitemage dead...

- how many of your BLM/RED out there will cast Phalanx when you get your ass chase from overnuke? I'm sure you woun't, you would cast /ma "Cure III" <me> to save your ass while wait for meelee to Provoke the mob off.


- do a /sea all BLM 50-75 and see the majority was choose for their sub???.... Majority rule....

- Yes with the Redmages sub, you will have Dispel with is the PRO.
added to the team. But if there is already a Redmage in the team then that is just another waste.


- Just wait and see if Square would raised the level cap to 82.



BLM50/WHM25/THF15

[Awntawn]

BLM/RDM becomes noticeably more useful at higher levels, because black magic becomes so powerful that healing is less efficient for MP than nuking; they barely heal, and healer can keep up with MP just fine with refresh or ballad. Some advantages I've seen from BLM/RDM:

Phalanx makes it less scary when they overnuke.

Extra dispel is always handy, cuz not every party will have RDM.

I suppose fast cast :sweat:

Not too shabby. Ideal or not, wouldn't hurt to be able to sub it; it's been pretty useful from what I've seen. Before dispel and phalanx, however, I don't see much of an advantage in using it.

[Coinspinner]

Originally posted by Awntawn
BLM/RDM becomes noticeably more useful at higher levels, because black magic becomes so powerful that healing is less efficient for MP than nuking; they barely heal, and healer can keep up with MP just fine with refresh or ballad.

I'm confused... everywhere I read that black magic becomes very inneficient for damage or weak at high levels... and that BLM are more wanted as support healers...

[conaim]

When you get up to level 50 or higher, BLM is not just about nuking when it come to fighting with IT (I would say 2 out of 5 will be resisted off from the mob even you Burn-ed it).

- Yes, I had paid 125 MP for a whooping 34 damages. :mad:
- Yes, I was almost dead from trying Freeze, and 2-3 Provoke from meelee couldn't pull back.... from that day on I put Freeze on my freezer....but I like the damage thought.... not too impressive, I could 2xMB with Waterga II and get more damages than that, and be safe....


BLM50/WHM25/THF15

[Fippish]

When you get up to level 50 or higher, BLM is not just about nuking when it come to fighting with IT (I would say 2 out of 5 will be resisted off from the mob even you Burn-ed it).

I'd have to disagree, I'm 50, and BLM is still about nuking, and I do more damage than anyone I've ever grouped with (haven't grouped with a 45+ ranger yet). I rarely ever heal, I'm a great asset to groups, and spells aren't resisted much, chaining ITs for 150-240 exp in 3-5 chains. Usually when I go AFK the group will stop pulling because of the severe drop in damage. (Not so if the DRK or DRG goes AFK) When people say "so and so class sucks", and they PLAY that class.. either the class is broken (it's not), or they suck at playing it.. as is the case for 80% of whiny-ass BLM posts I see.

BLM own at nuking, we do hella damage, I was MBing for 1032 on every other mob last night, got mean aggro once or twice, when I timed it too early and it left the mob with 5% hps... but I never died :spin:

Oh ya, also

Whitemage sub have about the same INT as Redmage sub.

and...? NIN has ABOUT the same INT as Redmage sub too.. but not the same, and I'd prefer +2 int to +20-25 MP, at 643 @ 50, I don't have too many MP problems, even using Freeze every other mob, and nuking the in-betweens quite sufficiently.

Lastly, I'm not a healer, I don't want to raise people. That's what Reraise is for.

[BALD TARU TARU]

biggest problem with WHM is stupid noobs asking for raise..... other wise whm is more utility but i perfer rdm i like en spells and stuff.