BLMs without Sleep!

[Calianeri]

Ahh, I'm glad people agree about how important Sleep is. Do whatever you can to afford it and try it out to learn how to use it -- you and your party will love it. Reading the other responses, I see a larger problem -- why are players leveling up without the spells and equipment they need? Tsama was talking about getting Stone II or Sleep... you can't compare them that way. The game is designed so that you need and use both, and you're not supposed to be in a position where you have to choose between spells that are 6 levels apart.

I know people want to get levels quickly, but it's counter-productive to level without current spells and equipment. Mages have a hard time making and saving gil, we all know... we just have to grin and bear it. I've seen all sorts of under-equipped non-mage players too -- that's the bigger issue.

And Dodger1v, you are definitely on the "great BLM" list!

[mIze]

Not even gonna bother with this kid, he thinks everyone is talking about sleeping a mob when it's pulled and then attacking it.

[Kirara]

haha... i am level 71 blackmage (almost 72) and i don't have sleep, i do have sleep2 sleepga and sleepga2 though... at lower level i don't subbest the use of sleep, it can cause a lot of shit for the blm...

[Arguile]

I've always used Sleep. In a pinch a quick Elemental Seal+sleep will 99% put the monster to sleep. You can do without, but since blm's are the only ones that can "crowd control" why lose out on that?

[Pilsbane]

Redmages get sleep at 25 and Dark Knights get it at 30. Plus, Bards get their first lullaby at 16. Blackmages aren't the only ones that can crowd control.

[Tsama]

Mize must you resort to such Third grades tactics. As to try to flame. Are you so stupid that you are going to try to flame someone that gives 2 shits about what you think. I might be stupid enough to be in a party with a Warrior that will hit the mob. But your stupid enough to try to flame someone that doesn't give a damn what you say.

You know I was going to put some effort into making you like, a complete Jackass but I don't really feel like I need to. Let's put it like this.

That sleep that you casted on the first mob that lasts for 60 secs. I don't think your group is good enough to take out that first mob being that it is an IT/VT in 60 sec. If you can then your in a bad ass group. My average time on an It is atleast a minute in a half. So let's see since you wanted to be Joe The Super Hero. That first second mob has awaken and is now beating the shit out of you. Yeah put it back to sleep. There it is sleep now you have just lost half your HP.

You can take this either way. You can make mine look like shit. In the end it is going to be the person that plays that out that decides what to do.

Oh and I did by Sleep last night and it was effective, I might add it in for a Macro. But I don't intend to use it much. It is a spell I would use while questing by myself.

I don't find a need to use it often. Oh well. As I said before.

You have your Opinion and I have mine. Who is right will never be determined.

[CDTerney]

Ok lets end this

It all just comes down to people needing to take time out for neccessity. Alot of people wade through levels before even picking up necessary armor, weapons or scrolls. They just want to hit level 30 and get their advanced job or that one super spell. I play a TaruTaru Warrior/Monk and Whm/Blm named Chochiru on Seraph and found it essential to constantly upgrade in order to stay alive and actually be effective. Just take the time out to get your essentials and read the forums to understand their uses. After that maybe the forums will thin out because everyone will be doing their jobs to their max potentials and no one will be able to flame anymore^___^.

Thats just a hope of course
This post has been very informative and the newer black mage community can benefit from it, I know I did.

[Tsama]

Chochiru what's up man. I haven't seen you around Seraph that much. What you been up to?

I personaly love my BLM and I plan on keeping him. It is part of me. hehe

I will agree with that, though. Sometimes it is a matter of gil. Until VERY recently I mean like in the last week or 2 I have always had less then 1000 gil, and that was because I never had time to go farming. I was lvling this or questing that. Well when I hit 30 I decided do a couple Advance quests and then go farming. That is kind of the reason I find it not needed. I haven't used it. In all this time. I don't see how if I made it that far without it. How I really needed it so much.

Oh well. That is my rant.

So Chochiru what you been up to man. I think I msged you last night.

[CDTerney]

Not bad, I actually am finally free and lately I have just been gil farming, but drops seem to suck after the recent patch -_-;. So mostly I have been fishing and getting all my jobs up to level 15 so I can test out my sub possiblities in the future. I made 56k gil so far and I need 146k gil more. Wish me luck and see you online.

[Coinspinner]

Not to add more fuel to the fire, but once I make it know that I willl cast Sleep on any links the melee I'm with doesn't make the mistake of attacking it. I've yet to be hit by a mob waking up from Sleep, usually it get's provoked immediatly after it wakes. It pays to play with attentive tanks... most seem to b e semi-afk during fights.

[CDTerney]

Actually I have a question about sleep and linking mobs. I've been in the situation as a whm seeing a puller bringing back 2 mobs, but as a black mage, If you debuff the second monster with sleep before the first one is killed will it aggro you or the puller once again? I'm not sure how that works because my girlfriend usually plays with me and she pulls every aggro mob off of me.

[Fippish]

Sleep generates a good amount of hate, so it will go straight for you when it wakes up, which is why Sleep should always be followed by Bind, or vice versa. You can also blind, slow, or paralyze the sleeping mob.. anything that doesn't deal damage. Just don't try to Shock it to make the sleep last longer :p

[Calianeri]

Have someone provoke the monster while it's asleep to make sure it won't come at you when it wakes up.

[Discordian]

All I can say is that I'd probably be 4k xp in the hole right now without it. Thats a lot of xp. Worth the gil cost right there and the xp cost of the whole party.

Seriously, 10k gil isn't 'that' hard to make. I try and break every 5 levels to make some extra money because I start upgrading my equipment every 5 levels or so. its coming around again... very soon.

If you have been doing your conquest singet right and have done mission 9 to its completion you can get your countries rank 4 items. I've made friends in windurst that want my sandy rank4 items while I need windurstian.

Rank 4 Mage equipment (8k each)
Combat Caster's Cloak
Combat Caster's Slacks.
That saves you some gil right there. Put it to the spells you need. Easy when you think about how you can easily get 2.3k CP a day at least. Only 1 week and you should have the 16k needed to get these items.

[conaim]

At level 50 BLM, I owned 3 of those sleep spells.....and macro them all.....

when the team got in the bad situation of link or mob spam in middle of the fight, I hit Sleep I rite away, if it resist I hit Sleepga, if it still resist I hit Elemental Seal+Sleep II, and if it still resist (can't sleep undead mods) I give it a middle finger and run.....kakakaka