Bursting off other bursts..??

[evilution]

BOTTOM LINE: ANY ELITE GROUP, LINKSHELL, PT WILL HAVE OR WANT 2 <----- BLM's for MB'ing OFF eachother... Remember: ANY ancient spell used to MB is MORE THAN ANY SINGLE SKILL PERFORMED AND WHEN MB'd OF THE FIRST MB (becausae you can burst of another burst) the dmg is ALMOST MULTIPLIED... its a joke... If you ever make it to lvl 70 on carbuncle as a BLM, you shoudl already know wtf im talking about... if not and your deprived, msg Fistandantilus on Carbuncle... Ill Make a pt and show you

Ok, gotta make a new thread for this.. Anyone know what the hell he is refering to? MB off the first MB? Eh?

I got no clue...

[RD2hypeD]

M_agic B_urst I believe.

[evilution]

i know what MB means, i am asking what the hell is he refering to "Bursting off another BLM burst"

[MidgardPlas]

i would like to hear more about this as well. does he mean doing an intermittent burst increases the dmg of the final burst or that you can actually burst off of another burst, like a secondary skillchain of sorts?

[Stolin]

I asked a high level friedn of mine about this. He said that its true that you can MB off of other MBs just like you can MB of renkeis. Its just harder to get the timing down because different spells have different charging rates. I'm not sure but I think it has to be a different spell of the same element.- Really unsure about that though.

[Otaku~gamer]

I could be wrong but ive never even heard of bursting off another person's burst.

Only thing ive seen was 2 Blm's bursting off the same Renkei effect. I don't think its even possible to achieve what the person who posted that message is talking about. It might just be luck and the 2nd burst wasn't resisted as much causing more dmg making it seem like its multiplied.

Who knows i could be wrong.

[MidgardPlas]

somebody HAS to have firsthand knowledge about this.

i've heard several high lvl blms state that this is possible, but none of them has bothered to explain how exactly it works.

please help

[mIze]

Yes, you can burst off a burst. I've seen it done (well being a blm, I was doing it).

At around lvl 27 or 28 in Batallia, bursting off a Fusion effect with two blm's in the PT, I went first for about 20 damage, his burst about 2 seconds later went for 108. That's just one where I can recall the exact damages, many times with 2 blm I've seen a burst of the same element on the same renkei do this. It's always the second MB that adds a good chunk more of damage than the first one. Start doing this with spells around the 30 level like Water II and Firaga, you end up in the 200-300 damage range.


[Edit: In that example, we were using Fire. 100 is really good for a lvl 13 spell on a mob that wasn't weak to fire (gob)]

[evilution]

Well there has to be some trick to it.

Me and the other BLM in my party have tried various combinations of spells and timings and can not get anything out of the ordinary (damage wise) to happen =/

Gravitation WS effect, he bursts with Stone 2 followed by my Stone 3 hitting a sec or so later for normal Stone 3 damage.

Distortion effect with one of us casting Aeroga II and the other landing Tornado after it for normal burst damage..

same with Water 2, Water 3 burst..

edit: and obviously we both have tried bursting the same spells in a chain but that gives no more damage than a normal burst either.

[Macht]

So far I haven't seen MB's damage multiply at all when you chain them. Basically all you are doing is adding the MB as the space filler for the next attack. Problem is for the over all bursts you can do seems to be timed going from the first weaponskill used.

That's what I think he's refering too, actually the next continued burst on the second and if the party has enough to do third skillchain can still be done but you can't use the very powerfull spells for their timing is just to long for it to succeed.

Really to me it isn't bursting off of another burst because you still need the skillchain to start it, so really it's more just the bursts acting as a sustaining spell for the attack doing something sort of like

Renkei > MB > MB > Renkei > MB

Were each MB gives you an extra 2 seconds to preform the next attack which is filled with another MB or a weaponskill to perform a Renkei.

As far as damage goes the only key thing I've seen that determines the MB's damage amount is the amount of tp extra used in a weaponskill as well as day, environment, and the monsters general weakness to the attack. If the monster is weak to it the MB will always do a great deal more, and if the monster is not weak to it MB can at times do a terrible 4 - 8 damage.

[wrightson]

same here. all i have been able to do is 2 burst off of one skillchain but if it can be done id sure like to kno whow

[David_h125]

There is NO burst -> burst in FF11.

However,

You can burst off a renkei with multiple bursts.

Fusion -> 3 black mages cast 3 Fire spells, you will get 3 magic bursts.

[Macht]

No, I did not mean the same person doing 2 bursts in a row on the same skillchain. What I ment is like 3 BLM's bursting off of 1 renkei but they are seperated by almost 2 seconds each. It looks like the MB's were done off of eachother, but now that I think about it as far as I could tell when doing it it's just that you have this 4 - 5 second window to finish the spell to get the MB unless the next person in the skillchain goes to fast then your window shrinks..

EDIT:

The only way to truely tell if MB's can burst off of eachother is to have 3 or more BLM's and have them go in order on their bursts timing it so the next BLM's spell hits at the propriate time for such a thing to happen. If each one was able to burst of the other, then not only would you get a message for it but it should be possible for a weaponskill to continue of the burst again and still get a renkei/skillchain.

So if this does work then 4 BLM's should be able to burst off of eachother which means the last BLM would of done a MB almost 8 seconds after the renkei/skillchain. That would be indisputable proof really.

[Zenyx]

This doesn't work, I've been in groups with 3 blms or a blm and 2 rdm's. When one of you needs to cure somebody it can through your timing off or various other things, so you get something like:

Effect: Fusion
Zenjyn Casts Fire II
Magic Burst !
Shigetake Casts Fire
Magic Burst !
Emblem Casts Fire
No MB

I've seen that quite a few times, where a spell will get cast immediately after another and not burst because the timer ran out.

[Otaku~gamer]

Originally posted by Macht

At around lvl 27 or 28 in Batallia, bursting off a Fusion effect with two blm's in the PT, I went first for about 20 damage, his burst about 2 seconds later went for 108. That's just one where I can recall the exact damages, many times with 2 blm I've seen a burst of the same element on the same renkei do this. It's always the second MB that adds a good chunk more of damage than the first one. Start doing this with spells around the 30 level like Water II and Firaga, you end up in the 200-300 damage range.

Ok that right there explained it all.. Both Blm's bursted off the same renkei.

THe 2nd blm did not burst of a burst cause its not possible. The 2nd blm hit harder cause the monster just so happened to not resist the magic as much as the first.