Question about (low level) duoing I haven't seen...

[Cavalier]

Even though it feels dirty (I'm a Paladin. A Paladin, not a BST...), I'm going to level BST for a while. I never would have considered it, but after hearing about and seeing some of the things BST can do (I really wanna see a Tremor ram get taken down by rabbits), I'm gonna try it out.

I hear pre-35ish (when you get Release or something), its a bit frustrating, but some of that can be aleviated by duoing with a friend, so I am.

After having PL'd each otehr to 10, we're going to duo for a while. At the very least, we're duoing to 20 to do the BCNM20 bats (i've heard it can be soloed, but at the very least it it can be duo'd by BSTs). So, I have a couple questions:


Can the BCNM20 with the bats be soloed by a BST? (just curious)

I know it can happen later (after 'free carby'?), but is it feasible for a BST and SMN to duo at this level? (I have SMN to lvl 10 at the moment, too.)

Are there any intricate little details to leveling BST at this level like there are at higher levels (i.e. I believe you fight an enemy, then either kill, or preferably 'release' your pet at the end of the battle so you get full xp, then get a new pet or recharm your old one. Is that possible at this level; do you have some sort of release command)?

Finaly, I know WHM (also lvl 10 at teh moment >.>) is the best sub for BST, but since we're duoing, do we both need whm sub, or would one of us be better off subbing WAR, or BLM, or anything with some ability to do dmg or debuff or something else? (This also goes for if SMN is possible, since SMN/WHM would have the healing ability, the bst could sub something else.)




thanks

[Jei]

The release pet is a level 35 ability. That is why ppl mentioned about pre 35...

I'm trying to duo with my GF right now with not much success. Part of it i think I'm not quite in the right zone. We levelled from 10 to 12 last night in Tarongi. And at 12 it was so hard to find mobs with the right level to either charm or kill.

There were some good amount of tough mobs such as Yagudo and Dalmels. But the problem is that the decent - EM birds are too far away from them. We ended up having to rely mostly on weak rabbits/bee/mandragora and we have to literally used up to 20 of them per kill. Things got really ugly when we ran out of mobs to charm.

It truely was a test of patience.... those tough mobs gave us from 60 to 94 exp but took soooooooo damn long to kill. We almost gave up. But will try different zone tomorrow.

[neighbortaru]

my wife and I experienced the same problems Jei. we moved to lathiene cause I thought the situation might improve, but it didn't. there were too many ppl killing the stuff at the pond for us to make any decent xp.

After speaking to my 75 BST friend, he just told me that low level BSTs suck balls. guess we just have to grin and bear it.

[Gman]

The rabbits are pretty weak pets, even the NM one "Keeneared Steffi" at higher levels. Crabs are the best bang for your buck, IMO. When you first get the ability to call beast, rabbits are fine though.

Release at 35 totally redefines the job. You can basically get full experience points every time by releasing your pet. Also, you never have to wait around for a pet to come uncharmed so you can recharm it again. Just release it and recharm it.

BCNM 20 cannot be soloed as a bst, as far as I know, only a SMN. 2 BST can duo it, but it can still be a bit difficult, from what I've heard. The BST specialty is really the rabbit BCNM 40, but its best to have at least 5 BST for that. Yes, BST+SMN can probably duo BCNM 20.

The only trick to leveling BST pre-30 is to try to kill your pet off before finishing the mob off, to get full exp points. The only way to do this is to use the "Heel" command so your pet stops attacking, then use "Stay" so your pet doesnt come to you. Hopefully, if you have no hate, the enemy will finish off your pet, then come to you, so you can finish it. It's kind of a "ghetto" release, but unfortunately, unlike the real "Leave" command, you will not have that pet to use again. You need a large area with lots of mobs to do this.

Sub whm is best. The small STR bonus you get as /war is not worth losing cures, poisona, protect, etc, etc. Sometimes you cant rely on your partner to cure you. This is even more important later on as in level 50+ if you duo. You get access to Raise if you sub WHM.

[neighbortaru]

I believe wings of fury can be duo'd. There were "accounts" of it on alla.

[Gman]

Originally posted by Jei
The release pet is a level 35 ability. That is why ppl mentioned about pre 35...

I'm trying to duo with my GF right now with not much success. Part of it i think I'm not quite in the right zone. We levelled from 10 to 12 last night in Tarongi. And at 12 it was so hard to find mobs with the right level to either charm or kill.

There were some good amount of tough mobs such as Yagudo and Dalmels. But the problem is that the decent - EM birds are too far away from them. We ended up having to rely mostly on weak rabbits/bee/mandragora and we have to literally used up to 20 of them per kill. Things got really ugly when we ran out of mobs to charm.

It truely was a test of patience.... those tough mobs gave us from 60 to 94 exp but took soooooooo damn long to kill. We almost gave up. But will try different zone tomorrow.

I soloed those levels in La Thiene. Duo would be interesting, as you would need 2 DC or EM pets to take on tough-VT prey. Assuming both pets and you guys are joining in fighting, it shouldnt be too bad. If you use EP, they will die, and or lose hate too fast, which is bad. Duoing might be a bit safer at that level, but slow as well. Once you get a couple more levels, head to Meritiphaud mountains near the entrance to Tahrongi. Some nice stuff to charm/kill there.

[tnt118]

I'm currently playing SMN and leveling with 1-2 BST friends as time allows. It can work, it's kind of nice to not have to find 3 pets at a time.. and I leveled cooking so I could use juice constantly. (Not the aboslute cheapest thing in the world, but it isn't that bad, either). We just started this last week, and if I come up with any useful information to pass along I'll make another post to this thread.

[Agrathorn]

Here's my experience trying bcnm20 solo. Its tough but i'm positive it can be done. Just need charm to work on the first try everytime. I'm probably gonna be attempting it again soon here.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51478

[Mikeb]

BSTs in my LS have soloed BCNM 20...

[kuu]

I forgot which one BCNM20 was. Is it the one with astral rings?

Either the 3 man 20 or 30, had their charm resist rate upped sometime ago.

They will seriously rape bst thinking of easy preys.

[little ninja]

if you wanted to duo that early on id think taking bst to valkum at 14. youd prob find evan match, d/c lizards near the highlands side. then take them against gobs.

the trick to duo before leave is to have only 1 person with a pet. that means 1 charms while to other one searchs a pet out. then when first bst's pet is near death the other players send there pet in. then just switch off who innitiates the attack. the other alternative is to charm a d/c an you guys just run nuts thru a zone.

wish i could be more help but i didnt get my first duo invite til i was 32 in eastg alt. tghere we charmed xpiders to attack beetles.

[Jei]

14 would be too hard. I went to VK at 17 and lizards+rabbits are still decent-even match with an occasional tough. At 19 all of them are decent at best. Right now I'm 22 and starting to see even match clippers-sheep more consistantly.

[Atam]

Re: Question about (low level) duoing I haven't seen...

I duo'd at tahrongi somewhere around lvl 12-14 can't remember for sure. Its been a long while since I've played bst, I started a new character since then. Anyway, we used bees or any birds that happened to be near to take dhamels down. I lvld to 15 in La Theine, fighting around the pond where all the crabs are.

I know things have changed now, so I would think you could stay longer in certain areas then you would usually do.

My experience with having a war sub wasn't really good. It was me and two bst friends. One of them decided to go bst/war since there would be three of us. So we went to tahrongi to fight dhamels. The fight starts off really well, then the bst/war starts getting major hate. He stops attacking it and we start healing him, but he is taking more damage than we are healing. He dies but we still manage to kill it. We tried it again and I think all of us died, lol. Other subs may work, I don't know, just use whatever sub that works for you.