Will people learn?

[Gman]

Hmm, I'm leveling BST, so I have to be objective, but sometimes it annoys me when there are no pulls because BST is leveling off the mobs were trying to kill. Here is my complaint. Certain areas are very common PT areas. BST have access to a lot more places than PT's do because they solo. No reason for a BST to be killing snippers in Valkurm. I know this, because I took BST to 19 in Ordelles. At this point, I can go to Meritiphaud, Jugner, Pashlow, stay in ordelles, or go to Shakrami. No need to level in the common "group" leveling spots.

Of course, that being said, I'm only 19... maybe choices get more limited later on. Let me ask about this. On the weekend I was leveling my THF in Yhoator Jungle. We were near the tunnel to Yuhtunga and a BST was running around charming White Lizards. I'd have to guess that the Liz are close to 40, if not over, which means that the BST was 40+ Why on earth was he killing the Mandragoras? Just as a filler between liz spawns? Either way he is earning himself 15-25 exp killing easy prey mandies, and taking away 150-200 exp from our group. I didn't think too highly of ~that~ BST. Was he in the wrong? Obviously he can do whatever he wants but that was uncalled for, wasnt it? I need a BST opinion on this if possible.

[Vortech]

no idea why he was killing mandy's.. farming for something perhaps. Maybe he was trying to get some Humus for FlowerpotBill.

The spots later on do get a lil limited.. its on and off. in the 40s I was able to lvl in remote areas of the jungles and sea serpent grotto. But in low 50s the best spot to lvl Ive found is Crawlers Nest which have many parties. Theres just so many mobs around its like a playhouse for a BST. I usually try to stay away from party spots but sometimes you just cant avoid it.

[sudo]

technicall a party should be able to kill whatever it wants to. a bst is extremely limited by the pets that he can find around.

In reguards to lving where other pt's are not:

some lvs it really is almost unavoidable that you run into pts because the only mobs charmable in the lv range you are in vs target mobs lv's must remain approx the same.

the argument goes well the bst can go exp elsewhere because there are lots of things he can kill. The answer to that is sure if the bst wants to lv up on nothing but decent challenges and easy prey for 20k exp. Or maybe that super dangerous place where you die on every other pull. But it's ok, the bst can just carry reraise potions.

The same can be said to parties. Why don't they just go to another area and kill decent challanges and easy prey to lv up. Lot less competition over there. Only 10,000 more fights to lv up on easy prey! Or maybe go to the super dangerous place where you loose the tank every other battle and the whm every 3rd battle and whole pt whipe every 5th battle. But it's ok, the whm has reraise!

[Gman]

Dont get me wrong, I understand that BST has limitations because their prime targets are DC, EM, and Tough. I know from 19 levels that its hard to find even match sometimes. On top of that, you cant charm any type of beastmen, undead, etc, so its hard to find good spots.

I guess I just didnt understand why that BST was sending his White Lizard to rape the nearby mandragoras that we needed to level. Didnt make much sense.

Biggest problem people have with BST leveling in common level spots is that they take up minimum 3 mobs (one target and 2 to kill it) so thats 3 mobs that cant respawn. That being said, nothing they can do but go to high risk areas or lower level areas where kills are 10-36exp... dont blame them for leveling where they do.

[Yossar]

Yhoator Mandragoras = Levels 35-37
White Lizard = Levels 36-39

So if the BST were lvl 36, he could find two EMs Lizards to charm and fight Mandies. Not really that bad of a spot, but there are better ones at that level, but sometimes those are taken so we have to resort to other areas.

[mastamind]

I love it when people bring up the situtation of a bst using multiple pets and killing a target. Gman for your example the bst was using lizards to kill mandies... have you ever seen a pt kill lizards to level there? So basically the bst is only using 1 mob you even would think about killing. What's so bad about that? He's just like any other party there, except he's killing slightly slower.

[Gman]

Originally posted by mastamind
I love it when people bring up the situtation of a bst using multiple pets and killing a target. Gman for your example the bst was using lizards to kill mandies... have you ever seen a pt kill lizards to level there? So basically the bst is only using 1 mob you even would think about killing. What's so bad about that? He's just like any other party there, except he's killing slightly slower.

My argument about the mandies and argument about multiple pets are completely unrelated. No people do not level from White Lizards, but in Garlaige Citadel basement, people certainly level from bats and beetles.

Like I said, I plan to level BST so I will be facing these same issues. Soon, I will be able to see it from both sides. A BST leveling in an area that gets invaded by a pt or 2 is inconvenienced just as much as a PT that gets invaded by a BST or 2. I saw this first hand when a group decided to level off stink bats in Ordelles. Kept killing my bats, even though they were only 1 level behind me. I was 16, they were 14-15.... why they were fighting tough bats for 60xp per kill is beyond me... I was getting 50-160 from them depending on their level.

[jaby]

In response to Roldarin, wah wah wah.

I go outta my way to NOT get people killed. I release my pets away from PTs, and running around losing exp chains.

And you can hate BSTs all you want. Good for you. You get a cookie.

[nhusted]

Yah, most BSTs are rather nice when they're around parties. Partly to increase are reputation and partly because we want them to cut us some slack. I get rather pissed when we're respectful of a groups beetles and they start taking our bats. I do admit thought me and my duo partner received a total of 24 GC coffer keys from 54-58 and gave away about 16 of those. We also saved a group a few times from its own stupidity. When groups and BSTs are together there will always be good times and bad times. The good times when the pt and the bst help each other, and the bad times when a pt member dies helping the bst or a hellmine gets a tad close. Most BST do what they can and expect the same respect. Some just have a shorter fuse when they don't receive that respect.

[Frumply]

Nowadays I see some people that only raise bsts in bst pt's (mostly static?); some of these people were the most moronic bunch of players I've ever seen.

My LS mate was leveling in onzozo, using leeches vs cocatrice. An hour or so into the hunt, he says that a two-man group came in and took his pets. No problem, there's a few extra spawns in the back that he can take.... Problem being that the fellows were killing their leeches repeatedly (ill management of HP i'd assume), then going back to take the ls mate's reserve pet, killing him. Barging into a hunting ground where a bst is already hunting is one thing (people can coexist), taking actions that would endanger the others is just plain ridiculous.

As for leveling @ 58's... just camp in the area past the 2nd gate if you want to avoid pt's. also, bats in toraimarai are 58~60, making them great pets to kill the skeletons there.

[nhusted]

I saw some solo BSTs doing that in GC a few times. There are the bad days where we aren't paying attention and let our pets die off. There are then other days where we see someone who just sucks at playing BST... even in their 50s. I have found the key to coexistance between BSTs (there were 3 or 4 in GC at one time before) is to not let your spawns die, be wary of where everyone is pulling and fighting, and give a little on what stuff you're pulling. In a duo we were taking everything there so we really didn't need the hellmines.

[Yossar]

If a BST is hunting in area, I just won't level there. There's nothing worse than getting ready to release your pet, and have your other right next to you, only to have it taken by another BST. Plus, the XP is very slow.

I envy those of you that can level in Onzozo. On Midgard, that place is a hot spot for high level farmers, and they get pissed if you start killing Cockatrices there. Someone in my LS was in an EXP party there and the farmers would train gobs on them. They tried doing this to me too, but I would just kill the gobs.

[Starcrossed]

Yes, it's pretty sad when on top of bst vs party conflicts you have bst vs bst conflicts when we compete for the same spots. Many times in bst areas such as Toramarai Canal I've arrived to find a bst the same as me already camped, so I asked if he wants to team up. I've most almost all JP bst won't team up with NA bst with some exceptions. In other zones where there are higher level mobs, two bst can team up for even greater exp, but against T most bst still seem to prefer soloing.

I still get nightmares about the many levels I had to share space with parties in Crawler's Nest and Garlaige Citadel. I was killed many times by parties, and many parties died at my hands as well.

On a side note, I do occasionally take my bst into normal exp parties for a change of pace. Sometimes it works well, but it boils down to the pet.... most of the zones where parties xp against IT mobs there are no pets to be had, so I have to use jugs which results in a severe exp loss to me just so I can keep up with the expected damage output for a melee. The only advantage to doing this is the safety of having 5 other ppl around to keep you alive. Even taking the exp cut, at least I'm not risking death every second. Also a problem are the filters... pets count as "other" in the chat filters which most ppl block out. They look at your axe damage (which is alright) and your rampages which kind of suck compared to a warrior, and conclude bst is a very weak job. What they don't see (or never even check) is the pets damage which is always higher than mine on its own. At the end of a night on Cape Terrigan, I checked the damage parse and much to my amusement my jug pet alone (Saber Sivarade) did the same damage per battle as the drk... on its own. then add in my damage on top and its nice.

A few battles I decided not to use a pet, but I find the fights take longer, we aren't able to chain as high so easily, and I just feel gimped compared to every other job unless I am contributing my maximum damage by using a pet. In the end, taking the exp hit for the good of the party seemed to benefit the group the most, but it sure left me high and dry. We got an add? I tried to charm it but failed 3-4 times because its IT+++ and I die. As I am being raised, the whm in our party decides to help out someone who is soloing Ose by curing them. They later die, and Ose comes back and killed our whm and our whole pt just because of that cure. Two deathes in a row, and on top of that a 30% cut on all the exp I earned that day. So 4 hours of exp was worth 1300 total. And back to soloing or duoing I go

Streak

[MidgardBST]

{{ I envy those of you that can level in Onzozo. On Midgard, that place is a hot spot for high level farmers, and they get pissed if you start killing Cockatrices there. Someone in my LS was in an EXP party there and the farmers would train gobs on them. They tried doing this to me too, but I would just kill the gobs. }}

Hey, I'm on Midgard, just hit 49 tonight. I have been xping in Onzozo since 48 and the only trouble I had was with a high level THF named Elviz who trained 6 scorpions on me... ; ;
I called a GM and he left soon after, but I don't know if it was because of the GM or not.
In regards to MPK and ignorant people-- I think in some situations when there is a good reason to MPK its reasonable. I mean if someone is swearing at you or trying to get you killed in other ways its just online self defense, you know?
I'll continue to use my powers to defend the weak and destroy the unjust. =P lol.
/tell me in game if you want to chat.
-Shogun

[Darkedge]

People talk so much crap in this game because theres no PKing...
1 more reason to level BST