confusion on effects of charisma

[Takaida]

ok thanks lily.....i still want the signa just to have though lol.......its pretty.

the only thing i can use now are the lvl 14 rings rally :sweat:

[Onima]

Dear lord! Your name is onimai!

Anyways, can you send Mrcyevon a tell ingame and tell him I said hi? havent seen him since beta ><

[sudo]

lol ok this is how chr has been treating me in bcnm today



+18 chr normal gear, failed charm 2x at most in a row for 6 consecutive fights

the last fight, brd uses soul voice and etudes our chr so now I've got a whopping +28 chr

I go charm a rabbit and lol and behold, I fail 3 times in a row, tame fails, fail another one and finally another bst saves me by charming the one rabbit smacking my taru head. I was running around with higher than normal chr for bcnm 40 fight. Yet I failed way more than normal.

With signa I'd have normal +24 chr, song puts me at +28, if I eat rice ball I could have higher but someone in my pt did eat riceballs and they failed just one less time than I did during that fight. In fact I think only 1/5 bst actually landed a charm with brd soul voice + etude. We had better ratios fighting without bonuses.

I think after doing about 20 of these fights so far, that the normal +chr eq, not even HQ, will get you through these fights. I don't know who wrote the code for this thing but having through the roof chr doesn't seem to matter at all.

[sudo]

you know after thinking about all the chr stuff and the wild experiences with brd buffing my chr by a lot, I have reached the conclusion that there is a cap on how much chr will affect charm rate.

Just like there's a damage cap for most things, and there is the cure cap for MND. We all know that cure 1 caps out at 30 generally. More lv's means it's more effective since we get a skill in healing. Stacking on like a buttload of mnd can also boost cures. I've tried +22 MND and I got my cure 1's to be at 33 HP cured every time.

Same thing with charm - and gague.
On DC cactur w/o chr gear, gague reports as "will be difficult to charm", with chr gear on, it changes to "Might be able to charm"

And of course with even more, (i have no idea how much more) it should say "should be able to charm"

And in my head, that "should be able to charm" is the cap. Same thing as cure 1 being at 30. You aren't going to get any better results even if you stack on a buttload more chr. I have never seen it say anything other than "should be able to charm" no matter the chr gear and lv differences to the mob. So unless I had something like +100 chr and gagued a lv 1 bumblebee and it said "will be able to charm" I'll settle for the guess that the soft cap is at "should"

Adding on chr when it's already "should" doesn't help very much (like whm's piling on mnd when spells are already capped- most would agree it won't help as much as MP gear) and I'll go test this out later when I can find mobs that gague as "might" and I'll play with them at both "might" and "should" and "should +a bunch more chr gear/food"

Not very scientific but as how there are caps on almost everything in this game, I think it's a good theory that helps to explain some of the diminishing returns people are reporting with their gear and what not.

Any one got any opioions on this idea?

[sudo]

ok I went and tried this gague thing on opo-opo's in Yogrot jungle (sorry, bad at spelling things from the game, used to pressing tab)

I did it w/o chr gear on easy prey young opo-opo and it said will have difficulty charming. I tried to charm and it almost killed me but got it after 6 tries >< Tame also failed so I guess that counts as 7?

I released, zoned, rested, came back, put on chr gear and gague now said, Might be able to charm, It I got it on 1st try. I released and tried it again a few times. I end up getting it charmed on "might be able" in an average of 2-3 times. (number was 2.8 times after 30 tries of successfully charming)

Sadly I did not have enough chr eq to boost me to the point where it said "should be able to charm" so I didn't get to really test this out on the opo-opo. (but I suspect it would be about the same rate as regular soldier crawler's near by charm rates)

The soldier crawlers near by were checking as "should" with my chr gear on. They fell to "might" depending on their toughness if no chr gear on.

In the soldiers were charmed fairly easily and only had 3 failures in 4 hrs of lving with chr gear on. I forgot chr gear a few times and noticed that I failed much more often.

This probably doesn't prove much and it's pretty much what we all know but I hope to retry this with easy "should's" in much much more chr gear when I get my AF set and a signa vs the same "should" w/o the gear and see if going overboard is really helpful or maybe stopping at "should be able to charm" is good enough.

[Lily]

Very interesting.

[sudo]

just did bcnm 40 ghesbla/holaris peak against them pesky rabbits

There were 5 bst again but they were mostly JP and they always pick out which rabbit they want with "gague"

I thought it was kind of funny but hey what the heck.

It turns out that the rabbits were gaguing as "might be able to charm" to every single bst there. 2 of them had monster signas and another one ate tonomi riceball for +5 chr. The rest of the gear was pretty standard fare, i.e. corsette rings, whistle, ribbon etc.

To my +18 chr, the rabbits were "might" to the hume with the signa, they were "might", to the guy eating the riceball, they were also "might"

I'm not sure it's even possible to raise chr to the point where the gague will say "should" I think it's capped that way for whatever reasons. Just trying to answer that question of "how much chr you need for bcnm" someone asked a while back but I figure I'll lump it wtih all my other bst testing.