Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

[Dux]

Re: Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

Hi All.

Now its clear that the textual description of Troubadour is totally wrong it looks like our two new skills aren' going to introduce a revolutionary change to the BRD class.

I will still get both anyway as the extra duration could be useful, albeit in a limited way, in ToAU merit parties. As for Nightingale, well I guess I will see what opportunities I get to use it.

[Goldesper]

Re: Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

Personally I Nightingale, especially for burn parties. WHen things start to get a little bit fuzzy, and you only have 1/2 your buffs on from an exceptionally long pull, pop nightingale. Ballad I & II Takes 10 seconds, then Minuet III & IV Take 10 seconds, and you still have time to pull.

[Initial Cat]

Re: Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

Yea I agree with the above poster on the usefullness of Nightingale... pulling in thickets or any other tp burn party is difficult (I only have Rostrums to lower my song cast times) with the songs you have to juggle and the sheer speed in which you have to pull. Anything that would lower song cast times is {/welcome}

[Pillowcase]

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I'm dissapointed.

Bards have so little Job Traits in the first place, it's about time they introduced some more. But they could have thought of something more origional.

[MikeDee]

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I'm dissapointed.

Bards have so little Job Traits in the first place, it's about time they introduced some more. But they could have thought of something more origional.

Cause BRD isn't over powered already? :3

Consider the fact BRD can make a sushi war a God with 2 songs, and you want more Job Traits

[Pillowcase]

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I've never played as a Bard before, in fact I just started (level 6 WHM). I was planning on going from 1 - 75 with Bard, however, so I looked up all the job traits for bards. They get a 2h and three silence resistances... That's it. The other classes I looked up had a pretty nice variety and a much longer list of traits and it blew my mind slightly. I mean, I guess Bards don't need much more than what they have as far as traits becasuse, I assume, Bards get the job done but it appears lackluster. Not the case for the traits of all other classes.

And when I looked at the new merits for the Bard, I was dissapointed. I mean, look at the THFs merits. Those are some nice, nice rewards for leveling 75 all over again!

I'm not suggesting that Bards need to get buffed, I'm saying I think Bards have lame job traits, which they do.

I'm still gonna play Bard, though. Support classes are my favorite class to play in MMOs.

[Dryhus]

Re: Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

Ask the population of Vana'diel if they invite DRGs for Ancient Circle, or MNKs for Subtle Blow. Don't worry about JAs or JTs. Melee get a ton, mages get few. Conversely, mages get a whole bunch of spells/songs/etc to make up for it. You get invited for how effective you are on the whole, not for how many crappy JAs you have.

Also, merit JAs aren't going to make the trip to 75 any easier.

[Pillowcase]

Re: Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

I'm not suggesting that Bards need to get buffed, I'm saying I think Bards have lame job traits, which they do.

Also, merit JAs aren't going to make the trip to 75 any easier.

Exactly. Leveling to 75 all over again isn't easy. I just wish Bards were rewarded like the other jobs.

But I dunno, I guess the Bard is overpowered as it is.

[Murphie]

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The strength of a Bard lies in what they can do with their songs, not what they can do with their Job Abilities. You won't have any trouble leveling from 1-75 as BRD so long as you are willing to be one of the busier jobs in the game.

They don't really need anything else.

[Pillowcase]

Re: Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

The strength of a Bard lies in what they can do with their songs, not what they can do with their Job Abilities. You won't have any trouble leveling from 1-75 as BRD so long as you are willing to be one of the busier jobs in the game.

They don't really need anything else.

*sigh*

I'm not saying a Bard is underpowered or needs upgrades...

All I'm saying is that when I looked at all the new merits, the Bard's seemed like cheese.

Whatever, I was under the impression that this thread was created for people who were just posting thier opinions on the new Bard merits.

[Balodoth]

Re: Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

I believe the reason people tend to disagree with you, Pillowcase, is that they realize BRD doesn't do anything on their own. A BRD's power is expressed through the party. So it isn't supposed to have a plethora of special abilities. The songs ARE the special abilities. . . which are conferred on the party and against the enemy.

You say you just began, but I expect you've seen them in action if you already decided to play one. Just wait until you play BRD. You'll see that they can already do pretty much whatever they want. They don't need abilities and traits to make them more effective. They only need ones that protect what they do already (i.e. Resist Silence) and give them a little more breathing room to accomplish what they do now (i.e. Merit Abilities).

[Murphie]

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*sigh*

I'm not saying a Bard is underpowered or needs upgrades...

All I'm saying is that when I looked at all the new merits, the Bard's seemed like cheese.

Whatever, I was under the impression that this thread was created for people who were just posting thier opinions on the new Bard merits.

Yes it is. And I think the update was fine. BRD didn't really need any help anyway.

[Ziero]

Re: Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

The update was supposed to help balance the jobs more while giving everyone something new whether they needed it or not. Now the strong jobs (War, Mnk, Brd) got minor buffs with very few WHAOMG changes while the weaker jobs (thf, Drk) got things to greatly improve their standing.

Brds don't need Jas/Jts for the sake of having Jas/Jts as they can go 1-75 in less then a month. Their base gear on average is cheap while their abilities are always wanted in both EXP and endgame situations. SE knows this and gave them minimal, yet still useful, upgrades to assist them in their job.

[Goldesper]

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I think that instead of giving us the useless resist silence traits (I've resisted a

grand total of 15 times in my ENTIRE CAREER OF BEING A BARD, and some of those

are debatable, as they were JAs and they "Missed" me, I did't technically "Resist"

it.). Instead at like.... level 40 give us a 5-10 minute timer and give it a stupid

name or w/e somethign like "Magic Voice", and make it cure silence for the target.


But thats just my 2g.

[Pillowcase]

Re: Have Square Enix gone too far with the latest BRD changes?

So, what I gather is the Bard songs alone make them self suffecient for all situatuions and thier JAs are just fluff, apparently.

...And 2, leveling to 75 all over again isn't worth it for the Bard, primarily because if it's not a song, it's fluff...?

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the merits?

Sounds like nobody's excited about the Bard merits.

Brds don't need Jas/Jts for the sake of having Jas/Jts as they can go 1-75 in less then a month.

Seems to me like they added new JAs/JTs for the sake of having new JAs/JTs and lame ones at that.

I think that instead of giving us the useless resist silence traits, instead at like.... level 40 give us a 5-10 minute timer and give it a stupid name or w/e something like "Magic Voice", and make it cure silence for the target.


But thats just my 2g.

Yeah, for real.

What about a Job Trait that gives Bards a chance to scare or stun beasts, or one that has a chances to revive someone.

What about a Job Trait that turns aggro. Say if there's two mobs, 'Fascinate' one of them and have it attack the other.

To me, that's a nice support class ability/trait.