Brd/rdm

[Magus401]

Well i just started BRD today, and I'm really enjoying it! I plan to take it some ways :D So...anyways...I started this game as a RDM and I have it to level 32, and this is good because then I can go to level 64 without even having to worry about my sub! But...is this combo good though?....I'm having second thoughts...but...I really don't want to level WHM much X_x Mine is only level 8..

[bbcradical_ed]

around lv 60-ish, whm sj beats rdm because of Parlyna and Silena in onzozo.

Other than that, rdm sj is fine, but not best. at 30, brd/whm gets Divine Seal ^^ and at 34, Curaga. then if you wanted to fool around, lv 50 Raise.

rdm will work for a bit, but if you want to take brd all the way, whm is the best sj ^^ (not saying rdm wont work, but whm has more benefits)



**but fastcast is nice in a tight situation **

[Venkelos]

I have RDM and WHM sub both maxed out. My static is very capable and I just use /RDM whenever we don't need the status relief. After using /RDM for so long I feel like like slo-mo with /WHM sub. At 64 I'll be using the /WHM a lot more 'cause of Erase, but /RDM works fine. The Fast Cast does just rock if you have a good enough party. ^^

-Venk

[Laehn]

Rdm sub doesnt offer anything really useful to the brd job that whm cant give you. Nukes will almost always be resisted, not that you'll have the mp to be nuking, your en-spells will be blah, your enfeebling spells will be resisted most the time.

Fast cast is about the only thing you'll get out of the deal. Its gonna be the same as a whm sub just with less mp, and fewer useful spells.

[Magus401]

Gah >.< ya'll making it sound like it sucks...better level whm -.-

[sun2mid]

personally i've found that my -na spells and divine seal and curaga have been extremelely usefull, and that is up the level 50 where i am now. I'm sure rdm fast cast would be nice, but at this point i find whm far to usefull to think that using rdm would be worthwhile.

[zorca]

If you xp on weapons, ie: RoMeave, /rdm for dispel will be good on those damn infernal weapons that have 10 levels of buff on themselves

But in general, most ppl would prefer /whm. Don't worry, /whm or /rdm won't make that much a difference since ppl will always love you cuz u're a brd lol

[Thingol]

Originally posted by zorca
If you xp on weapons, ie: RoMeave, /rdm for dispel will be good on those damn infernal weapons that have 10 levels of buff on themselves

Actually the only benifit here would be fast cast. You could just Finale it quicker. Even taru bards don't have enough MP in the lower and mid levels to start cranking out dispells and stuff. I, of course, use WHM as my sub but fast cast is a very usefull ability. You can get more songs off in the same period of time which allows for more debuffs and time to heal players, etc.. a rather large advantage. I'm sure any of you that have a Minstral's ring will agree ^^ . The way I see it is that a RDM sub is more like a "pure" bard. the SJ improves the bard job but has minimal mage benifits. the WHM sub is more like a one stop support shop. We can do nearly any support that the group needs but it takes some time to get it all done.

[Layoneil]

Flies - Cursed Sphere - BRD/RDM

i was doing Curaga every battle against Darters leveling from 67-68. sometimes Divine Seal - Curaga and even Divine Seal - Curaga II (pulled hate off the PLD ).

[hasbean]

I've leveled bard all the way to 75 with only RDM sub. It mostly goes with your style of playing. People don't really care if you're a whm or rdm sub, I got groups all the time.

There's more than just Fast Cast that justifies this sub for me. I love to melee honestly, and being a rdm sub gives me an excuse to do that. I just hit Enfire or whatever and join the fray after doing my songs for mages and melee. I just love SCing with the melee to give the RDM or BLM another chance to MB ^^b

In all honesty, it's not going to make a major dent in group performance when you can't curaga. With another RDM doing Refresh and your 2 ballads going, people rarely run out of mp if they know what they're doing.

Dispel really helped loads in Ro'Maeve with those silly Weapon monsters, and yes it lands even with your 34 rdm subjob. Finale recast time is just horrid for Weapons.

Now I'll have to admit a rdm sub really isn't made for alliances and Dynamis runs ; ;. You won't be able to melee much. Status cures and Erase is really much more helpful in those types of runs.

But yeah, you can be a rdm sub and be very successful in groups ^^ and when you hit 75, just level whm at your own lazy pace like I'm doing right now hehe.

[Radamvice]

Been a long while since i played bard at all (stopped at 49 2 months after na release)...but i swore fast cast did not actually save time in the manner described above.

It worked like how your normal spells take effect at 80% of cast completion time, but you cannot start another spell untill that timer is complete at 100%. A spell with fast cast 1 trait would take effect at 75% instead of 80%...meaning less time for the spell to be interrupted (and any side benefits including being able to run around to cast your next song sooner...where i assumed brds saw the benefit) but still not being able to cast a new spell till that last spells cast timer completed at 100%.

Did i misunderstand this?

[zorca]

You could just Finale it quicker.

You cannot Finale it fast enough because of the timer, even with haste on you . In my static pt of nin, thf, rng being the melee, I constantly have troubles taking off the protect/shell of those infernal weapons, especially the ones that's been around before we arrive the camp. Yes, I always cast Finale asap when the weapons come near the camp and their blink is off.

Yes, Radamice is right. Having fast cast will only get ur song out sooner, u still need to wait for the timer to hit close to 100% (or right at 100%) before u can cast another song.

[Radamvice]

Thought i remembered it right. When i noticed the way fast cast worked, i made a pro/con list and dispel was quite literally the only reason i felt i would ever want /rdm.

Needless to say, i wasnt about to level 37 rdm for a sub id use the rare occasions magic finale wasnt enough, and there was no rdm in pt.

[Rones]

I wouldn't give up having a brd curaga for me any day (or while I'm playing as brd). Considering brds typically have lowest hate amount in the party they are perfect for spamming curagas against mob's with nasty aoes or when the hate has moved around and all the melees have some dmg. Curaga has the potential to be the most mp efficient cure at the cost of lots of hate, so do your parties healer a favor and throw curaga whenever needed (especially if you have a rdm main healer). As well, brds are well suited for catching the status effects that hit while the party's mages are resting since those cost little mp to fix and prevent the whm or rdm from missing out on 50-70 worth of mp by standing up just to paralyna the tank.

Rdm sub works well for those weapons, but don't use rdm sub 1-70 solely because it will be good against a single exp mob at 70+. :sweat: