Taru is best race for BRD

[_Revere_]

I am a Elvaan Bard and at 49 I have 254 mana.

Any race can play a bard well, but if you want to get picky about it, Elvaans are the best choice.

a) Highest Mind to help land/resist debuffs
b) Highest HPs to help with Crowd Control
c) Charisma equal to Taru's and Hume's
d) Mana Pool comparable to Taru's and Galka's

As for mana pool, its all about the RSE. I haven't worked out the numbers but I believe a Galka will have the highest mana pool based on the Race Specific Equipment available.

[edit: Rekiem stated it best "But if you're at the point where you think your Race will actually make a difference in the outcome of an event, something is wrong."]

[Bamce Sylph]

i would have to say taru make hte best bard b/c they look the best in the af hat. followed by mithra. as for bc and havinga a short supply of hps, i run about 500/100 hp/mp in bcnm 40 w/ /whm, i have no +hp gear, no +mp gear its all defense, evasion and charisma (only like +15 or 17 charisma, oh and i lied i use a bird whistle for +5hps, and +3 cha) the only losses of the 20-30 attempts i have were to bad timing, black mandra casting paralyga as i'm midcast on horde, first time mages staying to far away and healing, drawing agro to themselves and spreading the white onions, and general newbie parties of friends i was showing, which i expected to loose, so i'm like 20/30ish-6 we have pulled out some amazing wins, like the pally getting hit w/ flood, raising him, and still winning, but i'm sure everyone has similar stories. my point is, not once did we loose, or come close to looseing b/c as a taru i have low hps,

as for mp in groups, the only thing i cast is curaga, regen, status cures if applicable. maybe occasional cure3 after monster is dead, i leave all the debuffs, slow, para etc, to white/redmages, i leave bar spells to whitemages as the resists u get are skill based and they're are higher than mine. however if they don't, and i can't blame them no one wants to talk into agobbo mob while casting barfire i will do that as well since i end my song and dance w/ both ballads on myself i usually sit at full mp's most of the time (about 190 in exp gear, 2 elecrum rings, +5 earing) so i will say counter point to angia maybe your spending to much time healing, and not enough time barding? or maybe kills are going to slow?

[Niland]

rekiem is right, so i say again: i don't understand why anyone would think tarutaru make the best bards.


Anigas arguement is pointless, you can dress it up anyway you like but what you are saying is basically: woo i have 40mp more than you with no equipment on....

it makes 0 difference and any high lvl bard knows it.

[Outaru]

Originally posted by Xccoortri
I don't really have an opinion on this...I'm an Elvaan bard, and at level 48 I only have like 240-250mp...but I'm just stating that there is a counter argument to almost all of your arguments.

Huh, I am a taru bard and at 52 I have 204 mp and I am wearing 2 electrum rings, did you go all out on mp gear?

[Outaru]

Originally posted by _Revere_
a) Highest Mind to help land/resist debuffs
b) Highest HPs to help with Crowd Control
c) Charisma equal to Taru's and Hume's
d) Mana Pool comparable to Taru's and Galka's
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a. MND? I thought MND was for healing and CHR affects landing debuffs
b. Would Galka have hightest?
d. Will you still have all that mana without RSE?

:confused:

[Teffie]

Another one of these annoying "Which Race is Better Job" topics.

It depends on the Skill of the Player, Not the Race of his/her Character.

A Galka BRD can be just as good, if not better than a Taru BRD if he knows his role and does extremely well with controlling his Mana Pool and Songs.

[Aniga]

Yeesh. I don't visit for a day and this thread explodes

Originally posted by Niland
rekiem is right, so i say again: i don't understand why anyone would think tarutaru make the best bards.


Anigas arguement is pointless, you can dress it up anyway you like but what you are saying is basically: woo i have 40mp more than you with no equipment on....

it makes 0 difference and any high lvl bard knows it.

It basically boils down to: A Taru has more of what is important while every other race has more of what isn't.

[Aniga]

Originally posted by Teffie
A Galka BRD can be just as good, if not better than a Taru BRD if he knows his role and does extremely well with controlling his Mana Pool and Songs.

But the fact still remains that if the person playing the Galka bard was playing a Taru, he would be a better bard as a whole. I agree that knowing what you're doing is a huge, huge part, but certain races are better than others for the task at hand -.-;

[Aniga]

Originally posted by _Revere_
I am a Elvaan Bard and at 49 I have 254 mana.

Any race can play a bard well, but if you want to get picky about it, Elvaans are the best choice.

a) Highest Mind to help land/resist debuffs
b) Highest HPs to help with Crowd Control
c) Charisma equal to Taru's and Hume's
d) Mana Pool comparable to Taru's and Galka's

As for mana pool, its all about the RSE. I haven't worked out the numbers but I believe a Galka will have the highest mana pool based on the Race Specific Equipment available.

[edit: Rekiem stated it best "But if you're at the point where you think your Race will actually make a difference in the outcome of an event, something is wrong."]

The RSE argument is void. I don't see many who wear it past AF as a bard, generally, and if you do you're matching a Taru's MP while the Taru is using a CHR item (I.E. Errant Equipment) in that slot to beat you in that stat.

Your MND is generally meaningless. Your heals will soft-cap easily enough and no one resists status effects from VT/ITs unless they have a class specific resist against it (And Resist Silence STILL sucks ; .

And what the heck does D mean? How can you have a Mana Pool comparable to the best and the worst at the same time?

[Aniga]

Originally posted by Vilurum
To get back to the topic at hand, I can accomplish all that with my lowly hume MP. This is my perspective at level 35. Your perspective is from a much higher level, and I'm sure the extra MP would become more of a necessity as I progress. Maybe a taru would be an "ideal" BRD, but the MP difference - especially for subjob-only MP - is far from enough to prevent any other race from being a damn good BRD all the same. Maybe you can more easily accomplish those chain 6+'s than I can ... though so far, the problem has not been healers running out of MP, but inability to get and kill another enemy fast enough.

You're fine to be taking charge and using your WHM sub to its utmost ability, and I don't have any critiscisms for your playstyle. However, my main point is that whenever you DO hit 0 MP, if you had chosen Taru you would still have some left.

I would like to point out that never once did I say that an Elvaan or Hume cannot make a good bard, I'm simply stating that a Taru has the best stats for it, and thus if all other factors are equal would make the Taru the best race for the bard job. And that's all this thread is about.

[Teffie]

Originally posted by Aniga

But the fact still remains that if the person playing the Galka bard was playing a Taru, he would be a better bard as a whole. I agree that knowing what you're doing is a huge, huge part, but certain races are better than others for the task at hand -.-;

Obviously of course.

But that still doesn't change the fact that a Galka BRD and a Taru BRD (2 Seperate human beings playing 2 seperate characters) whom are the same level, the Galka can infact be Better than the Taru depending on his/her Skill.

I am just totally fed up of all these stupid "Race are Better" Topics. Because of Topic's like these, People end up choosing Race's they do not want because they want that slight +5% advantage from choosing the appropriate Race.

My Advice, If your dead set on being a Galka, and your dead set on being a BRD. Go for it. The Difference you'll have with a Taru will be minimal, and you -can- be better than a Taru with the right equips and tactics. Just because someone is a Tarutaru, doesn't make them Smarter than you, More Intelligent than you, or More Skillful.

[Aniga]

Originally posted by Teffie


Obviously of course.

Thanks, then we're at an agreement that Tarutaru makes the best race for a bard

But that still doesn't change the fact that a Galka BRD and a Taru BRD (2 Seperate human beings playing 2 seperate characters) whom are the same level, the Galka can infact be Better than the Taru depending on his/her Skill.

A bard can tank better than a Paladin with the right equipment and skill too, etcetra. There is no argument that how well you play is paramount over your race, the topic is simply which race is best suited for the bard job. We HAVE to assume that all other factors are equal in order to determine which race is best suited for a bard.

I'm all for seeing Galka bards, Elvaan bards, Goblin bards, Yagudo bards, Sahrgain bards, so forth. I like variety! But that is not the topic of this conversation. :sweat:

Your advice is good none the less though, choose the race you want. If you don't like soccer/football jokes or being sat on by fat sweaty Galka (Oh god, the nightmares...) don't pick Tarutaru.

And now I have to get to class, post here later :spin:

[Vilurum]

However, my main point is that whenever you DO hit 0 MP, if you had chosen Taru you would still have some left.

Point conceded. And yes, for the absolute ideal, perhaps I should've been a taru. Equal CHR and more MP, and less of the less-needed stats.

But I'm a finicky individual, and I can't write off the possibility of my wanting to do something else with my character. And it's true, I wouldn't much care to be punted.

So as a whole, a taru just doesn't suit me as an individual, but a hume does, and I can still be a very good bard as a hume, so I'm happy.

[Niland]

Originally posted by Aniga


You're fine to be taking charge and using your WHM sub to its utmost ability, and I don't have any critiscisms for your playstyle. However, my main point is that whenever you DO hit 0 MP, if you had chosen Taru you would still have some left.

I would like to point out that never once did I say that an Elvaan or Hume cannot make a good bard, I'm simply stating that a Taru has the best stats for it, and thus if all other factors are equal would make the Taru the best race for the bard job. And that's all this thread is about.

ok let me put it this way: i don't need the extra 40MP that a tarutaru would have. on the other hand there plenty of times when i would have been dead if i was a tarutaru

there is never any situation where the ability to do one more cure 3 would be 'game changing' its crazy and absurd that people would look at this board and read 'tartaru is the best race for bard' when that statement simply isn't true.

so if you want to really split hairs and call this extra cure 3 some mind boggling advantage then i'm afraid you can't dismiss the other factors, since having 200 extra hit points, and higher vit and str stats _will_ affect your game play in the long run.

so you can take an extra hit on the AE of monsters without dying, so you can hit with your weapon for an extra 10dmg or something, etc etc

if you want to pick on a 5% advantage of extra MP, then you have to consider the 5% advantage elvaans and humes have in other departments.


ok so i'm crap at setting out all this fancy arguments lol, so if i can put it as simply as possible:

~a bard needs imo around 200MP to get his/her job done more or less

~any race can get above 300 with opo crown, zenith mitts, serket ring if they want to make the effort.

hell if you used a vermillon, and macroed in your errant when you use attack songs you'd basically never run out of MP

i think this thread in itself shows that the differences between the races are meaninless.

[PetriW]

Tarutarus have no tail and are thus inferior! nuff said~