Bard/BST vs Bard/ WHM

[choyz]

Opinions... i want some good feedback

[Siven]

/BST MAY be good for certain special situations, but have no place in a lvling PT. You'll rarely be able to charm decent challenge and higher mobs, so siccing that easy prey mob on the IT may just be a drop in the bucket. The CHR boost is negligible, as are the increased meleeing stats.

/WHM in comparison offers many benefits. Status cures, backup healing, raise, re-raise, teleport, etc. RDMs which can be a mainstay of high lvl PTs never gets re-raise, but you will at 66. So if there's a wipeout only you can save the day. Despite the MP limitations of the main job, it's easy to get enough MP to use those costly spells.

[sudo]

would a bard/bst work better in bcnm 40 than a bard/whm?

slightly more CHR, more HP and frankly you can charm 1 guy out of the bunch that you might have missed with your hord lullby or something?

[choyz]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Siven
[B]/BST MAY be good for certain special situations, but have no place in a lvling PT. You'll rarely be able to charm decent challenge and higher mobs, so siccing that easy prey mob on the IT may just be a drop in the bucket. The CHR boost is negligible, as are the increased meleeing stats.

im sick of hearing fools like yourself giving false information on your own experiances.

"Have no place in a leveling party". a bard is no place for a leveling party? are you some sort of idiot? the /BST is just for the CHR. so bassicly you'd be upping your songs instead of healing. no one plans on charming a mob with a main job bard.

now i would like to hear some REAL feedback, bassicly what im getting at is either, sub beast and get stronger/more reliable songs. OR sub /WHM and be able to heal.


lmao, i need to save that... bards with /bst have no place in a leveing party.

[mIze]

Originally posted by Siven
The CHR boost is negligible, as are the increased meleeing stats.

She said the sub was useless for the CHR bonus also, and she's right. Maybe you should do a little more research before you come on here flaming people for answering YOUR question.

[Jroggy]

you asked for opinions did you not?
she gives her opinion and you flame her?

[Siven]

Originally posted by choyz
lmao, i need to save that... bards with /bst have no place in a leveing party.

Ok it is my fault that I was too vague in my earlier explanation. Anyway, according to the two stat calculators I consulted:

75BRD/37WHM: CHR = 74
75BRD/37BST: CHR = 76

2 more CHR and other trivial gains in melee-centric stats in exchange for not being able to heal at all, cure status effects, teleports, raise/reraise, blink/stoneskin (for BCNMs), bar-spells in conjunction with carols, sneak/invis. CHR boosting items are aplenty, and having 2 more will not have a measurable impact on the potency of your songs in all likelihood.

Again when subbing jobs one should look to abilities more than simply stats. But don't let this prevent you from subbing BST though, just like subbing NIN or THF for leveling PTs. It adds variety and also thins the competition. :spin:

To another poster:

If subbed BSTs could tame BCNM mobs with any consistency at all, then your entire PT would be /BST, but unfortunately that is not the case. If you want more DEF other subs offer more. lv19 WHM spell blink helps a little, as would NIN, but only if you were rich enough to have the scroll already from playing one. As for soloing you can only charm easy preys and below and not always.

[Spiriter]

Hmm lets see
Group Invites We See
lvl 50 Bard/25 Whm Twiddle Dee
Or
lvl 50 Bard/25 Bst Twiddle Dum

Who would you take in youre PT?

I see no char stats. Both can Sleep.

Group currently has
1 War/mnk
1 Whm/Sum
1 Drg/War
1 Thf/???
1 PLD/War
(Group composition mainly showing that there is only one main healer and a tank form can be substituted for blm)

Who would you take?



(I know who I would take, But If there wasnt dee then I would happily take Dum Cause Bards make IT easier)

Note A Bard with Whm sub will Cut Down on the DOWN time inbetween Fights at least 50 % Because they can do additional heals and buffs giving the whm a chance to med to full in no time(with bard ballad.
What will a Bard Bst do to cut down on the DOWN time between fights. Play the same songs as a bard but BST wont help get to that next mob that much faster.

And ps you shouldnt Flame a person for voicing there opinion even if you dont like it. You should have just posted a "Im sorry I dont Understand how you came up with this or that"

[SyNapSe]

"Have no place in a leveling party". a bard is no place for a leveling party? are you some sort of idiot? the /BST is just for the CHR. so bassicly you'd be upping your songs instead of healing. no one plans on charming a mob with a main job bard.

Since, you thought the benefits we're so great. Could you tell us what having more CHR does to help a leveling party anyway?

For the most part the only thing CHR helps w/ is stopping resists. The time it's most critical is when you NEED to make sure your sleep songs stick (i.e. BCNM)

[Aniga]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by choyz
[B]

Originally posted by Siven
lmao, i need to save that... bards with /bst have no place in a leveing party.

Sigh... if you want to be anal about it, then take it this way. BRD/BST is INFERIOR to a BRD/WHM in an experience party. There are only a few instances in this game where /BST would be more beneficial, and of course these instances are few and far inbetween.

My BST sub is only level 1, and all I use it for is to charm the Kraken to scare level 20's around Qufim. And that's all it's really for (Until I get my charm song at 75). A BST sub adds no versatility, just slightly more HP and a piddly amount of CHA. WHM adds so much and then some.

[sudo]

well I went and tried a bst sub on my lv 32 whm just for fun to see what would happen. My bst is lv 10 now and I failed to charm a check that was tough. (note, I have no CHR boosting eq on as a 32 whm/10 bst)

I tried it on an even match and I failed that too ( I was trying to charm an even match sauron stink in samuragin champeign or however you spell that)

While running to the zone, I tried to charm again and again (thank gawd for stone skin and blink) and miraculously the charm stuck on the 3rd try

so yes you can charm even matches as a bst sub but it doesn't work very well. Mabye as a brd/bst I'd have better luck with some CHR equipment.

however, for exp parties with the whm, there's nothing that will check as an even match where my pt's go. Pretty much everything is incredibly tough or the pt wouldn't go there in the first place.

I highly suggest you play the bst job a bit solo to see what it is like. There's a very good reason why bst don't really join pt's.

I'm not sure if you can't charm the bcnm 40 mobs with just a bst sub since the charm rate is really based on CHR levels. Brd has about the same CHR as a regular bst so I don't know what will happen. I'll go try it next time the LS does the fight.