Bards and BCNM Fights

[kenn]

as i near level 40 with my bard job, i was wondering what would be the most efficient number of bards to participate in a BCNM fight in 1 party.

I tried the BCNM fight in Ghelsbha in the beta, and my party failed miserably against the bunny horde . we did not though, have a bard in our party.

The majority of the people i speak to about BCNM fights say they never came close to winning, with only a select few stating that they won.

please, anyone who has won a bcnm fight (or someone who is confident in a combo), offer some advice to me on what is the best combo to party with a bard? i really want to kill those bunnies. i mean come on, who wants to be massacred by a bunch of rabbits?

this is a combo i thought might be good:

whm
blm
brd
brd
provoker (bst with war sub?)
provoker (another bst with war sub?)

the 2 bards i think would have a hayday, both casting area sleep and then lullaby on the mobs that resist, and the party can concentrate 1 at a time? bsts to get the aggro onto their pets, and then provoke if necessary?

[Louie]

2 bards are bad idea... you lose too much by having the 2nd one in the party.

whm
blm (or rdm)
brd
melee
melee
melee

the melee classes NEED provoke.

I've seen 3 groups like that go in and only 1 win. It just more than jobs and stuff. You need the right race (no galk mage or taru melee).You need the best armor and stuff you can get also. You need to be able to do Renkei things and Magic bursts to add extra damage. If you don't have that stuff wining is going to be hard as hell. Oh and you'll need your 2hr ready, and don't think EVERYONE will live the battle.

[Russta]

If you want to win and get the best things, because time affects what you get, you NEED a WHM, PLD, MNK and BRD.

[Louie]

you DON'T need a mnk but they sure do help alot with there 2hr. As for having a PLD... they sure help like the mnk for taking damage, but if you can get a good melee that can provoke and take damage you'll be good. But you DO NEED a WHM and BRD... the rest is up to how good you can work in there... don't be suprised if you lose your first 2 times trying to find a way to beat them.

[Secrenja]

Louie?*poke*
Wouldn't a BST be good? If it could charm one manster they would rule, if they could bring their own, wouldn't that also rule?
Anyway, heres my thoughts.
PLD
WHM
BRD
RDM
BST
Damager.
PLD to tank, WHM to cure, thats pretty strightforward.
BRD to use hoarde lullaby
RDM to chainspell sleep the remaining ones, and enfeeble the one being attacked.(Phalanx could also help take damage when the bunnies awake)
BST to charm/call a monster.
Mnk or SAM, Drk whatever, to melee.

[Louie]

BRD to use hoarde lullaby

Sounds great, but isn't that great. The chance of it working on them is low.

BST to charm/call a monster.

Its a good idea. They can only call a monster in a BCNM fight so you would want them to call the there named pets in there. You wouldn't want them callin out a rabbit unless its that named rabbit thingy.

So a BST is good... you get a little extra damage from there pet, an extra provoker(yes they need war a sub), and if the pet dies you can recall it again.

[tinsun]

hrmm....not trying to say anything but ... u guys havent play a bst yet have ya? ^^

you wont be able to charm a mob thats even match to you or higher,and those bcnm are usually....impossible to gauge maybe?
and the failure rate to charm is just too high

anyway... form a pt w/ 1whm 1 blm 1 brd and 3 melee... prefer to have a ninja/war and a thief to control hate, and .. no matter what...dont let the whm die =P

[Louie]

32 BST here

you wont be able to charm a mob thats even match to you

Hahaha you sure... thats what i seem to charm... Decent and Evens... ya and you CAN'T tame anything in a BCNM... thats why you have to call your pet with the items.