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I've been thinking submitting job profiles on each forum as I've noticed while we have a lot of FFXI players, there are quite a few that haven't played any of the other games in the series or just a few of them. Some people pick up roles out of trial and error, others pick up roles similar to those they played in another MMO and then there's the players who picked their favorite jobs from the main series.
I thought it might be nice to profile each job in such a way it that it gives insight to how FFXI jobs were inspired and also might spark some interest in trying out those other games these jobs hailed from.
So, just from a formatting perspective, it would flow like this
Job
First appearance in Final Fantasy series
FFXI character(s) representative of the job, a spoiler-free description
Other FF Characters that job is inspired by, with a spoiler-free history, citing which games they appeared in and the availability of said games.
When I say "spoiler-free" that doesn't mean we can't give them some back story or their involvement in the game, just don't give away any important details, twists or surprises (Yes, even THAT ONE from FFVII)
Additionally, I'd like to see some illustrations.
Example:
Final Fantasy Origins: Dancer
Dancer
First Appearance: Final Fantasy V
Other appearances, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy X-2, FFXII
FFXI Character: ???
Lenne (FFX-2) - a spirit of a songstress lost during Zanarkand's war with Bevelle and influences Yuna during her journey to find a lost friend in FFX-2.
Penelo (FFXII) - Etc, blah, blah, blah
A bit more fleshed out than that, but you get the idea.
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So, consider this a sign-up thread, since Dancer was announced this week, we'll toss that in on the job list and postpone yet-to-be confirmed jobs at a later date. But let's go ahead and set a date for this project to begin, which I would like to begin on October 5th.
For now, there are three orders of business before we can really get started.
(1) I'm of two minds of how we can assign a thread to each member. We can do this by member nominations or "first come, first serve." I think the community should also just have a say in who does what so someone doesn't start their own "Origins" thread, giving moderators a headache.
(2)The other matter, and why I set Oct. 5th as a date, is to reach an agreement on some rather ambiguous characters and jobs in the post-FFVI era. Before we can start profiling, we need to decide - as a community - what do define those jobs as from an FFXI perspective.
Cloud Strife is a good example. He's been described as a WAR in some places, but I'm inclined to say he's a SAM based on how Square has written him and how he plays out. Vincent isn't really a RNG, he's a Morph and Berserker, so he really can't be applied to FFXI by any definition. These are just examples, there are a quite a few other characters that need to be sorted out.
So we need to reach an agreement on some of these roles. I don't want the discussion to get heated in this regard, we're just going to go with what character most closely resembles an FFXI job and what most people agree on.
(3) Finally, I'd like to avoid any "job flavoring" of characters from the other games where you could be any job. While FFX-2 and FFXII are also full of roles you can conform to, but at least the main characters from those games at least had a job to identify from the start. Yuna was a RNG in FFX-2, Rikku and Vaan are THF and Penelo is a Dancer, not other real way to define them.
In other words, what I mean is just because Lulu cast spells with a doll doesn't mean she was a Puppetmaster, she's a Black Mage. And just because Faris was a pirate captain and Balthier and Fran are sky pirates does not mean they are Corsairs. Let's keep job flavoring out of it.
There are jobs that do lack a character, though. Red Mage doesn't really have a character to symbolize them outside of FFXI, so that needs to be discussed. Additionally, Dark Knight didn't have much character basis outside of FFIV, though its original appearance was in FFIII. Cecil and Zeid are all DRK has, so to give it more space, let's include Gafgarrion from Final Fantasy Tactics games as one to reference as well. At the same time, lets not go too far with job association outside of those FF games.
And a magical (4) I'm just gonna pull out of nowhere. At no time should this thread fall into a "FFVII is the best FF ever" thread. I don't care which FF you like the best, this is to cover the majority of the series from a FFXI perspective. I'd like contributors to have at leave five Final Fantasy games under their belt, preferably more. No profiling of a job should be done from once single game of the series, with the exception of PUP and any original job SE decides to cook up.
Anyway, that's it for now.
BTW, I'd be ok with covering COR's profile, but I'll let you guys decide that. Plus we need define Wakka anyway.
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Jobs and users covering them:
Starter:
Warrior
Thief
Monk
White Mage
Black Mage
Red Mage
Advanced T1:
Paladin
Dark Knight
Bard
Ranger
Beastmaster
Summoner
Advanced T2:
Dragoon
Ninja
Samurai
Advanced T3:
Blue Mage
Corsair
Puppetmaster
Advanced T4:
Dancer
???
???
To be updated later as users get signed up.
I thought it might be nice to profile each job in such a way it that it gives insight to how FFXI jobs were inspired and also might spark some interest in trying out those other games these jobs hailed from.
So, just from a formatting perspective, it would flow like this
Job
First appearance in Final Fantasy series
FFXI character(s) representative of the job, a spoiler-free description
Other FF Characters that job is inspired by, with a spoiler-free history, citing which games they appeared in and the availability of said games.
When I say "spoiler-free" that doesn't mean we can't give them some back story or their involvement in the game, just don't give away any important details, twists or surprises (Yes, even THAT ONE from FFVII)
Additionally, I'd like to see some illustrations.
Example:
Final Fantasy Origins: Dancer
Dancer
First Appearance: Final Fantasy V
Other appearances, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy X-2, FFXII
FFXI Character: ???
Lenne (FFX-2) - a spirit of a songstress lost during Zanarkand's war with Bevelle and influences Yuna during her journey to find a lost friend in FFX-2.
Penelo (FFXII) - Etc, blah, blah, blah
A bit more fleshed out than that, but you get the idea.
--------------------------------------------------------
So, consider this a sign-up thread, since Dancer was announced this week, we'll toss that in on the job list and postpone yet-to-be confirmed jobs at a later date. But let's go ahead and set a date for this project to begin, which I would like to begin on October 5th.
For now, there are three orders of business before we can really get started.
(1) I'm of two minds of how we can assign a thread to each member. We can do this by member nominations or "first come, first serve." I think the community should also just have a say in who does what so someone doesn't start their own "Origins" thread, giving moderators a headache.
(2)The other matter, and why I set Oct. 5th as a date, is to reach an agreement on some rather ambiguous characters and jobs in the post-FFVI era. Before we can start profiling, we need to decide - as a community - what do define those jobs as from an FFXI perspective.
Cloud Strife is a good example. He's been described as a WAR in some places, but I'm inclined to say he's a SAM based on how Square has written him and how he plays out. Vincent isn't really a RNG, he's a Morph and Berserker, so he really can't be applied to FFXI by any definition. These are just examples, there are a quite a few other characters that need to be sorted out.
So we need to reach an agreement on some of these roles. I don't want the discussion to get heated in this regard, we're just going to go with what character most closely resembles an FFXI job and what most people agree on.
(3) Finally, I'd like to avoid any "job flavoring" of characters from the other games where you could be any job. While FFX-2 and FFXII are also full of roles you can conform to, but at least the main characters from those games at least had a job to identify from the start. Yuna was a RNG in FFX-2, Rikku and Vaan are THF and Penelo is a Dancer, not other real way to define them.
In other words, what I mean is just because Lulu cast spells with a doll doesn't mean she was a Puppetmaster, she's a Black Mage. And just because Faris was a pirate captain and Balthier and Fran are sky pirates does not mean they are Corsairs. Let's keep job flavoring out of it.
There are jobs that do lack a character, though. Red Mage doesn't really have a character to symbolize them outside of FFXI, so that needs to be discussed. Additionally, Dark Knight didn't have much character basis outside of FFIV, though its original appearance was in FFIII. Cecil and Zeid are all DRK has, so to give it more space, let's include Gafgarrion from Final Fantasy Tactics games as one to reference as well. At the same time, lets not go too far with job association outside of those FF games.
And a magical (4) I'm just gonna pull out of nowhere. At no time should this thread fall into a "FFVII is the best FF ever" thread. I don't care which FF you like the best, this is to cover the majority of the series from a FFXI perspective. I'd like contributors to have at leave five Final Fantasy games under their belt, preferably more. No profiling of a job should be done from once single game of the series, with the exception of PUP and any original job SE decides to cook up.
Anyway, that's it for now.
BTW, I'd be ok with covering COR's profile, but I'll let you guys decide that. Plus we need define Wakka anyway.
---------------------------------------------
Jobs and users covering them:
Starter:
Warrior
Thief
Monk
White Mage
Black Mage
Red Mage
Advanced T1:
Paladin
Dark Knight
Bard
Ranger
Beastmaster
Summoner
Advanced T2:
Dragoon
Ninja
Samurai
Advanced T3:
Blue Mage
Corsair
Puppetmaster
Advanced T4:
Dancer
???
???
To be updated later as users get signed up.
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