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Re: Estatic about this job system
*tilts head*
Please explain how stacking support on support isn't handy most of the time.
*tilts head*
Please explain how stacking support on support isn't handy most of the time.
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Re: Estatic about this job system
Subbing Bard is not useful really until endgame. While it seems like a great idea to have those songs available, they're weaker then they would normally be since you're subbing the job. Also, it adds no other traits or benefits to WHM such as more mp, nuking/enfeebling spells or fast cast. BLM, RDM and SMN are considered much better subs for WHM in regards to exp.
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Who gives fast cast? Sounds nice to have.Comment
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Red Mage sub does. But Fast Cast isn't always worth the loss of other spells/abilities/traits you gain via a Black Mage sub for instance.
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Re: Estatic about this job system
Hmm. Assuming you're a Mithra, like me, without the still expensive Astral Rings.
In the lower levels, just have enough MP to last through a single battle is hard when you'r ethe only healer. You want to use a support job which also gives you MP; every little bit counts. That means /BLM or /RDM for a relatively new player like you, with /BLM giving you slightly more MP.
Not to say that WHM/BRD is bad; Paeon is Paeon even from /BRD, and it is a very efficient (but slow) way of restoring the party's HP. Just that at lower levels, the importance of safty (enough MP to cover curing need) outweighs efficiency of Paeon (amount over HP restored compared to time used to sing song).
For most other types of party enhancing songs, the potency is limited due to half leveled skills limit from /BRD. While they can be nice to have, they are not very powerful in the hands of WHM/BRD, and may not be worth time to sing (instead of resting for MP). For enfeebling songs, WHM/BRD would hardly be able to land them at all.
The real beauty of WHM/BRD is at WHM50/BRD25, though--that's when you get Mage's Ballad, which restores 1 MP every 3 seconds for everyone under its effect, whether they are resting or standing. This is very handy when you have three or more mages in the party, and at least one of them is willing to help share the curing load.
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Of course, when you have a real BRD in party, the BRD does the Ballad and more, making WHM/BRD not much more useful than WHM/(nothing). (Really, WHM/BLM is good enough to go from Lv.1 to 75.)Bamboo shadows sweep the stars,
yet not a mote of dust is stirred;
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So all the other mage subs give more mana?Comment
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You should apologize to me, I just don't know why though.Originally posted by Murphie View PostComment
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Yes. BLM gives the most, until you reach 30 where Summoner can be subbed for even more.Comment
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whm/smn post 50 yes for the auto-refresh rdm/brd is where it is at tho =P double fresh dispel all the good thingsComment
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Okies. I'll raise my WHM to 5 and work on my BLM while my friend installs FFXI on his computer.
Thanks for all the help. Until next time ^^Last edited by Jrgsubzero; 03-06-2007, 09:10 AM.Comment
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Well I'm not really going to contribute to your exact line of discussion here, but I would like to just pop in and say, welcome to Hades.
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Re: Estatic about this job system
One thing I think you're missing jrg is that alot of the subjob talk people are talking about is in PARTY SITUATIONS. There are subs that work well against bosses, soloing, or missions, but don't necessarily work in leveling parties for several reasons. When people party they basically want to get EXP as fast as possible, so using the best job combination to reach this goal is important. Hence why WHM/BLM, WHM/RDM and WHM/SMN would be more useful then WHM/DRK or WHM/WAR, since your role in a party as WHM will almost always be main healer(and Haster later on), so your subjob should fit this role.
And frankly BRD sub isn't an option until 50 as mentioned when you get access to Mage's Ballad, which is a good option to use when you can't find a BRD or RDM to keep some Refresh up.Cleverness - Hades
75BLU/75RDM/75NIN/60SAM/59SMN
DRK/NIN/WHM/BLM/SCH/WAR/PLD subs
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I'm stuck in the evil 'fun' circle right now. As I am usually when I first start a new game.
'Fun' Circle:
I won't have fun if i'm playing something I don't enjoy but I won't have fun if i'm playing something 'gimped'Comment
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You'll figure out how things work soon.
Now, why did Murphie have to apologize to me?Comment
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