How to improve FFXI plz read

[iglak]

Another thing SE could do to improve the game is to make mobs travel around in groups like in the other FFXI's where there was three enemies. This would add more fun and strategy in the game i think.

that's the first suggestion that i wholeheartedly agree with.



ok...
Poppipo and JexIntrepid COMPLETELY missed my point about subjobs.

WAR IS the best Subjob for melee DDs in Cookie Cutter parties
i never said otherwise
i never HINTED otherwise
i agree 100% with what JexIntrepid said about WAR Subjobs

it is player stupidity that makes people think Cookie Cutter parties are the only parties that work.

-/drk-souleater abd last resort suck compared to berserk and the second attack up wont help that much.

great, but you forgot about SPELLS. you are only comparing HALF of a DRK subjob to a complete WAR subjob, and you are assuming that the person is LFG, waiting for a Cookie Cutter party with only one subjob available.

-/rng no one really subs ranger except for samerais(about 10 on my server who sub it) becus their archery rating is really bad

samurai actually have a fairly good archery rating, and having a subjob never increases the maximum skill levels (unless the maximum was previously 0). you also forgot about the weaponskills having a RNG subjob allows, and about Sharpshot, and the other RNG abilities. and you also forgot about THFs with marksmanship.

-/monk people sometimes sub this early on, but at later lvs people sub warrior(cus its better)

except THFs that like H2H (and those poisoning H2H weapons are vicious...), and WARs that either like H2H or aren't subbing NIN.
MNK isn't very offensive as a subjob though.

-/sam tp nerf....like no one subs it anymore(well atleast on my sever)

the TP nerf changed almost nothing with this subjob. it's point is to be able to do 2 skillchains every fight. with a SAM main at lvl 30, this happens in a short time. with a SAM sub at lvl 60 main, this happens over a larger amount of time, but it still happens.

-/theif yes alot of drks sub this when they reach a high enough lv to get TA but thats like lv 60, before then like 100% of all drks dont sub it.

yeah, except when farming...
other than getting items, there is almost no point in subbing THF before lvl 60, but this game isn't only about leveling up in Cookie Cutter parties...

-/whm yes people sub this when they solo but not in a prty.

do you seriously see NO point in having some melee sub WHM if your only healers are a RDM/BLM and a BRD/WHM?

-/ninja warrior, rng and theif subs this for utsumi, (in my opinion i think war sub in better for theif) but ya nin is a good sub for them.

and dual wield, and the other NIN spells.
heck, i'm surprised more DRKs don't sub NIN. there are some really good 1H weapons that are available to DRKs, and the ninjitsu will help a lot for extra enfeebling.

you also forgot about /RDM, /SMN, /BRD, /PLD, /BST, /BLM, and /DRG.

[Synbios]

Originally posted by iglak
that's the first suggestion that i wholeheartedly agree with.



ok...
Poppipo and JexIntrepid COMPLETELY missed my point about subjobs.

WAR IS the best Subjob for melee DDs in Cookie Cutter parties
i never said otherwise
i never HINTED otherwise
i agree 100% with what JexIntrepid said about WAR Subjobs

it is player stupidity that makes people think Cookie Cutter parties are the only parties that work.


great, but you forgot about SPELLS. you are only comparing HALF of a DRK subjob to a complete WAR subjob, and you are assuming that the person is LFG, waiting for a Cookie Cutter party with only one subjob available.

samurai actually have a fairly good archery rating, and having a subjob never increases the maximum skill levels (unless the maximum was previously 0). you also forgot about the weaponskills having a RNG subjob allows, and about Sharpshot, and the other RNG abilities. and you also forgot about THFs with marksmanship.

except THFs that like H2H (and those poisoning H2H weapons are vicious...), and WARs that either like H2H or aren't subbing NIN.
MNK isn't very offensive as a subjob though.

the TP nerf changed almost nothing with this subjob. it's point is to be able to do 2 skillchains every fight. with a SAM main at lvl 30, this happens in a short time. with a SAM sub at lvl 60 main, this happens over a larger amount of time, but it still happens.

yeah, except when farming...
other than getting items, there is almost no point in subbing THF before lvl 60, but this game isn't only about leveling up in Cookie Cutter parties...

do you seriously see NO point in having some melee sub WHM if your only healers are a RDM/BLM and a BRD/WHM?

and dual wield, and the other NIN spells.
heck, i'm surprised more DRKs don't sub NIN. there are some really good 1H weapons that are available to DRKs, and the ninjitsu will help a lot for extra enfeebling.

you also forgot about /RDM, /SMN, /BRD, /PLD, /BST, /BLM, and /DRG.

/DRK and /NIN = half magic level = gimped spells. /SAM isn't worth it after TP nerf, pre nerf, you could throw a multi hit WS while waiting for partner to get TP and meditate to get back to 100%+ for renkei.

[Gekoman]

Id hate to be a pain the arse but...

What on earth is a cookie cutter?

Forgive me.. im British :spin:

[iglak]

Originally posted by Gekoman
Id hate to be a pain the arse but...

What on earth is a cookie cutter?

Forgive me.. im British :spin:

a cookie cutter is a tool that is used to cut a batch of cookie dough into a specific shape, there is a wide variety of shapes available, but they are all very similar.
we use it in this game as a metaphor for a specific type of party, a party with a specific healer, a specific tank, a couple specific damage dealers, and a specific debuffer/buffer. people use this type of party (as opposed to mixing party roles, and having more party roles) because it is the most versatile, and members can easily be replaced by a the same job or a different job.

not to say that everyone is stupid for thinking that only certain job combos work, and only certain parties work, it's just that they either aren't smart enough to see otherwise, or they have been tricked by the most stupid people (the ones we call "noobs") into believing it. it's usually the latter.

/DRK and /NIN = half magic level = gimped spells. /SAM isn't worth it after TP nerf, pre nerf, you could throw a multi hit WS while waiting for partner to get TP and meditate to get back to 100%+ for renkei.

very true, although it's not quite as bad as you think.
with /SAM, you can start or finish a renkei, then use meditate, then when you get that extra 30 TP to get 100%, start or finish another one with a different person in the PT.

when i fight T-EP with my BLM subbed (i've never fought with it in a party against VT-IT), my spells rarely get resisted (maybe like 1 in 20). i assume (key word, hehe) that against ITs, your spells would be resisted about half of the time (assuming a small amount of equipment with the right stats and fully leveled skill). and they would deal a bit more damage than they did at the level of your subjob.

[poppipo]

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[Blood Red Poet]

um... nice... thread. I mean, looks less like crap... than crap does. That is always good.

Anyway...

-give us more exciting missions and quests so people actaully follow the story line instead of just raise, raise, raise, raise, raise, lol

Try getting +Rank 2 >.>; Shesh.

To answer one of your... less idiotic points. The PS2 is very limited so you can't have special monster models for every mob.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by poppipo
Another thing SE could do to improve the game is to make mobs travel around in groups like in the other FFXI's where there was three enemies. This would add more fun and strategy in the game i think.

As far as i know there's only one 'FFXI' so "like in other FFXI's" doesn't quite add up. Also Mobs do come in groups, it's often called BCNM.

[Kiyosuki]

Its just a personal thing, but I always wish there was a mini map in this game. Like the one in FFX and the upcoming XII. You'd have to have the map of the area though, but if you did I think it'd be so bloody useful. But thats just me.

[Zaptruder]

Originally posted by Nodachi
As far as i know there's only one 'FFXI' so "like in other FFXI's" doesn't quite add up. Also Mobs do come in groups, it's often called BCNM.

What's the point of been facetious like this?

He obviously meant, other Final Fantasy games, and he obviously meant for them to travel around normal areas, like normal encounters.


Personally I think it would be an awesome idea, having a group of weaker mobs con together... so 2-3 even match treated as a group becomes IT, and drops exp accordingly... but then people would just sleep them and it would be kinda pointless.

[Blood Red Poet]

looks at the main poster's response. *vomits*

Umm, sorry just... hard to look at such... re-.... noo-... stup-. Nah I want to keep my warning level at 8.

Dude, play the freaking game? At level 12 you dont even know how Zi'Tah looks like, how the Shadow Lord comes to life, why NINs make good tanks, DRG are not useless, ect ect. Shesh, just got sick of it after awhile.

Also, <Can you speak english?>.

[Kiyosuki]

Thats a very exciting looking sig.

[Nodoka]

I'll deeply miss 'I have a cow named bessy'.

As for this topic, why would anyone sub /pld? >.<

Mages wont want it for claiming cause they have flash + stun (rdm sub drk for stun).
Melee wont want it for healing because it gives very little mp and no -na line.
The defensive abilities of it subbed are subpar, and /pld gives no voke (unless you were war/pld, but thats pretty stupid), so you cant keep hate (although you probably wouldnt want hate cause you would die).

IMO /pld is the worst sub anyone could have. Even /bst, /drk and other advanced jobs have SOME use in PT, farming or for fun (/bst is actually pretty good on some easier stuff), but I cant imagine why anyone would /pld. >.< Even /drg is kinda useful since the /drg earrings are pretty good.

[Kiyosuki]

No..I still think /Drg is the most useless Melee sub there is myself. At least with Pld you get a *few* spells, and some defense boost and abilities. With Drg, you don't get any of the things that make Drg's cool as a main, you just get gimpy jump, and maybe high jump later for limited damage...with few stat increases and passive traits..no wyvern, yippie. :spin:

[Blood Red Poet]

Hahaha >.>; If you are not sarcastic, consider me flattered XD.

Dont forget the sub job latent items that could take in effect MAYBE. Well... /WAR probably still be better because of Berserk. If SE would ever release one that was pre 30, maybe something to consider. WAR/? stilll something to talk about tho XD.

EDIT:

(unless you were war/pld, but thats pretty stupid),

Hey the strat guide said they rocked! They are always (never) right.

[sushicide]

the poster basically trolls on every job forums and posts random crap, no need to take this thread seriously.