Why PT's Hate BST?

[CarbonFibre]

I think whoever said things about a lack of even match pets is spot on. In most of my leveling experience, people xp off of the weakest mobs in a zone. Valkurm you xp off rabbits/lizards then crabs then flies then fish (with the occasional goblin). Until you get ready to leave at 19 or 20, pretty much everything there still cons as tough. In Qufim you kill worms to crabs to fish. In the jungles you kill the mandragoras which are the weakest things there. Same goes for Garlaige, CN, or East Altepa. Another part of it is that the weakest mobs are almost always the closest to the zone, so people like to be able to run away and zone should things go wrong.
Obviously not every party goes this route, but this is the rinse and repeat leveling path of most players. I hate being restricted to one zone to level in as do some other people, but everyone goes one place because that's where everybody else is. I haven't leveled past 34 so things may change after 35 when you get away.

[AnubisBlue]

I accidently MPK'ed a whole PT in Citadel once. I was solo'ing Explosures and it totally owned my pet and I was running for a new pet and this PT decided to camp the tunnel. Well suffice to say that when I did get a new pet the bomb decided to explode and all 6 members of the PT died instantly. 2400 dmg dealt to each of them.

ooops

Unfortunately, some level ranges for BST can only be spent in certain areas. For instance, all BST will most likely EXP in Citadel 53 - 60 because they can get up to chain 4s for 300 EXP just off the bombs. Then while waiting for respawn can go and kill the magic pots in the corners of the map. 4K exp an hour easy. No place else for us to go for "great" exp at those levels.

60 - 72 can be spent in boyadah tree. another place PTs hate us because we'll eat up all the crab spawns as fast as a good PT and then eat up all the Elder Goobues and Steelshells faster than a good PT. 3 BST PT or more will EASILY out kill a normal PT. However, there arnt many options for us BST to level at these levels. You're stuck with us till 71 - 72 when we have the option to go solo Ru'Aunn Gardens till we're 75.

PTs really should utilize us BST more often. Maps with a wide range of levels such as Crawler's Nest, Boyadah Tree, and Cape Terrigan are excellent places for PTs to use a BST. At lvl 60 a BST can use a funguar or spider as a pet in Boyadah tree. At 66-68 they can use Moss Eaters or Moriouche as pets against the processionaires or elder goobues. Add the BST's own dmg with their pets DMG and it usually totals more than a DRK hits. Our WS arnt as powerful as a DRK but still very good. We have Rampage and Mystral Axe. Also, if our pet gains hate it doesnt matter. (usually do if using a funguar. their WS can do up to 900 dmg, silence, poison, paralzye, and blind)

People shouldn't be afraid to use BST in their PTs. Especially at the higher levels because BST are usually filthy rich and have better equipment than most WAR. I myself have +49 Attack and +45 Accuracy at 67 without food and my axe causes slow. not to mention my pets stats. Some places arnt meant for us though. Ro'maeve has nothing for us to charm for instance so we arnt any use to the Moon Gate PTs unless we use jugs.

Anyway... im done ranting. BST rule!

[poppipo]

Im a lv 15 bst/whm right now, and im having alot of fun, but once i hit lv 23 my linkshell is gunna party with me alot but in a party im going to use my nin sub when i do the nin quest(so damn hard)
Ya so, i can solo AND party it will be fin

[halo00to14]

saddly, most of the good BST spot on Asura are getting crowded with parties joining in. there is nothing like sitting back in gustav tunnel killing gobbie pets when a party comes along and tears through everything, or the lower lvl gobbies before that, only to have another party camp there and bitch at you as you are trying to lvl way before they were even there. hell, the western desert got crowded quickly.

currently, i am lvling in CN off of scorps and rumble crawlers with blazer beetles and exoray as pets in hopes for a coffer key. i'm far away from the not so secert secert room, but i still get people who pull from my side of the nest ask me to leave. it doesn't make much sense.

what we all need to understand is that a BST is just like a party and should be treated as such. if you see what he is fighting and with what, avoid the pets to some extent, take some, but not all. usally (from what i've seen) a BST has two pets that they really really like and stick with till the every end.

[Roldarin]

A BST is not like a party. Instead of consuming 1-2 monsters at a time and quickly kill them (or die) a BST consumes at least 3 monsters. I have to change the way I do things with a BST around. And its a pain.

With a party I don't mind competing for one monster at a time. But when an area only has a limited number of spawns, having to figure out which 2 monsters are whose pets slows me down. And I also have to worry about where the BST will leave those pets when he's not using them. If they link it can really cause an issue. I know... a good BST wouldn't do that. Not all BSTs are good BSTs, just like not all parties are good parties.

If you consider yourself a party, then be prepared to be treated as one. When I'm in competition with a party there is only one thing I can realistically do besides ask them to leave: outpull them.

[poppipo]

Drg=gimped bst?
Ok im not trying make a flaming post against drg's or anything, but in my point of view bst's would make be better dmg dealer, and would be more useful in a party than a drg.

heres why....

-bsts can use more armour than a drg, some which gives alot of good melee bonuses.

-bst's have an A rating in axes, some which do very good dmg compared to their delay. Also, drg's spears are bad are weak agaianst armoured enemies which sucks.

-a bst could also duel weild the axex for even more dmg and + stats.

-when things are going bad in a party, the bst could use familair and then release it somewhere and save everyone from dieing.

-when their are pets to charm like EM's a bst could switch from attack gear/tanking gear to +charisma gear and charm one, some can do as much ALOT of dmg.
Which are waaay stronger than a drg's wyvrn.

-Even if their are arent any pets to charm the bst could use jusgs which still do decent dmg.

-I dont have too much information on this but i have heard that some bsts could ull with charm since the range and delay is good.

-Another way a bst could save a prty is they could use charm a pet/use broth and make it attack while everyone runs.

-Sic are very good and do lots of dmg or could enfeeble the mob.



WHY ARENT BSTS IN PARTYS???

[halo00to14]

i've seen parties eat up more than 3 mobs in the time it takes a BST to kill one. so, in that case, parties do more dmg to the "enviroment." if you want to talk about the long time it takes a BST to kill something while exp, then lets bring it to the farming side. i've seen people who kill WAY slower than i do when i farm. what does that mean? less kills per hour for me and less spawns occuring. it is the same argument, just in differnt context

from what i can see, the main reason why BST aren't in parties is this: most people don't know how to handle them, most BST don't know which pet to use, most parties are misinformed, most BST aren't used to party situations etc...

in a party, the biggest threat comes from the leave command. if the BST has an aggro pet, then that pet becomes a liabilty to the surrounding people. that i will give. but that goes hand in hand with being a good BST.

i considered myself to be a good BST. if i am fighting a mob with an AOE attack and i so happen upon a party, i heel and move out of the way. if i see a party get a link, or one of their memebers fall, i offer a raise or take care of the link. if i have a pet that will aggro, i release it a far from others. i feel that i have built a name for myself as one of the good to great BST in all of Asura.

all i think that BST ask for is respect. respect our personal boundries as we lvl and we'll respect yours (more or less, i cannot speak for the majority of players or their actions). just use some common sense, don't hinder another player who is trying to enjoy the game. how would you like it if some one came up and cast silence on your whm during play? or stole the DD's weapons? now, another PC can't do that to a party, but a PC can do that to a BST.

p.s. also, this one gets on my nerves, do not annoy the one player that is handling aggro mobs that will kill you. it's just not a good idea at all....

[Roldarin]

i've seen parties eat up more than 3 mobs in the time it takes a BST to kill one. so, in that case, parties do more dmg to the "enviroment." if you want to talk about the long time it takes a BST to kill something while exp, then lets bring it to the farming side. i've seen people who kill WAY slower than i do when i farm. what does that mean? less kills per hour for me and less spawns occuring. it is the same argument, just in differnt context

But not 3 at a time. If a BST is JUST like a party, I would expect them to compete for mobs one at a time. Its what parties do. Its true that a whole party can kill another party's exp. And you have two options: leave or outpull them. If a BST is a party then they can't complain when people treat a BST just like any other party.

As for your loot example:

That person killing one thing slowly only ties up one thing. If they tried to kill 3 things at a time, and you wanted to pull one of their yellow mobs and kill it, you wouldn't lose any loot. In fact it might make your farming easier. Your example isn't the same.

A BST juggling two (or more) pets can make it hard for people to pull in the same area more than any party could. Not JUST because they tie up 3 mobs, but because of they can release their pets in inconvenient spots, the pets might still have status spells on them even at full health, so you don't get full (if any) exp.

However, a BST has a right to be there and use multiple pets to kill something. Just don't be surprised when someone pulls one of his ex-pets to safeguard against links, or thinking its a full-exp monster.

p.s. also, this one gets on my nerves, do not annoy the one player that is handling aggro mobs that will kill you. it's just not a good idea at all....

Oh my favorite. It comes up in other BST posts. "Don't piss off a BST, because they just might MPK you." That is a bannable offence. Killing a yellow monster isn't. And even if someone can't PROVE a BST MPK'd them, it gives BSTs a bad name and gives rise to posts like these. I read a post where a BST defended another BST who MPK'd a whole party because they said mean things. Does nothing but give BSTs a bad name.

all i think that BST ask for is respect. respect our personal boundries as we lvl and we'll respect yours

Why do BSTs get special treatment? Parties are always in fierce competition for every mob in the popular spots. I've been in Boyahda trying to beat another puller to the punch. I've been in SC near Eldieme entrance and competing against another party for every decent pull. They were using 2 pullers and kiting the next pull around waiting for the mages to regain mp.

Competition. Its what its about. If a party is taking 3 times the mobs in an area because they can kill faster, guess what? I either have to deal with it or leave. If they are pulling two and putting one to sleep RIGHT next to them? I tend to leave it alone. But if its all by itself out in the middle of the pull area, and its yellow I'm likely to pull it. I do the same for a BST. If he has 2 monsters off to the side, I"m likely to leave him alone. But if he's leaving monsters all over the place (like I had happen recently) then I pull to make things safe.

I believe in respecting other players. Trying to give them a little space. Not intentionally getting them killed. But I won't give up my competition, nor will I stop safeguarding my party against links.

I don't think this post is about people who are the good BSTs. Its about bad BSTs. There must be enough there to fuel these posts.

[Roldarin]

Originally posted by poppipo
Drg=gimped bst?
-when things are going bad in a party, the bst could use familair and then release it somewhere and save everyone from dieing.

I was in a pt with a BST. And did just that. He made an awesome puller.

I believe BST can be very good in pts. Even with just their weapons and Jug pets.

[Roldarin]

how would you like it if some one came up and cast silence on your whm during play? or stole the DD's weapons? now, another PC can't do that to a party, but a PC can do that to a BST.

If my WHM was also an exp mob, was sitting in the middle of a pull area and could potentially kill another group or looked nothing like a WHM but looked like an exp mob at full health, you better believe that other group would take out my WHM.

If my group left our DD's weapons lying around unattended, looked like an exp mob, and either posed a link risk or didn't look like my DD's weapons, you better believe another group would pull it.

[halo00to14]

i agree with you on the "deal with it or leave" mentality, but the VAST majority of people have the "annoy the living hell out of the one causing a mild set back instead of leave" mentality. i highly respect ya for that.

my biggest complaint is just that mentality. what people assume to know is that a BST can exp everywhere and anywhere. while true in most respects, parties have far greater options in terms of where to lvl. the majority just choose to go to the hell holes.

it seems that whenever i find a very good spot for me, about 3 parties will show up and all of them will most likely start hassling me to leave saying that i can exp in other places.

the vast majority of my examples are just that, examples. sure, BST handle dangerous mobs, but i've seen some sly acts from PC's just as bad, if not worse than what mobs can do. i've seen whms port their parties out just to clear the camp site. same with BLM, yet, these acts will kill many players, yet they are not bannable.

but, i can also tell that we are going to run in circle of arguements. take it as a victory if you will, if it'll make ya feel better; i just see this as more of a "my religion is better than yours/nyuah!" type of argument. keep pulling my pets and i will keep lvling. just don't send me a tell saying to stop doing what i do b/c you can't get exp.

[Khain]

we are playing a GAME!!!!!!!! people play games to have fun not to have someone bitch at them bc they decide to get exp somewhere. People complain about bst and how they should go somewhere else but why not the pts? Before en version came out alot of people were leveling in battalia downs then once kazham came everyone went there and people say its crowded. I tried bringing a pt to batallia but nobody wanted to go bc they had never pt'ed there before. Then people complain about kazham being too crowded but are too lazy to try new things. People need to stop hacking on bst where they level for two reasons 1. its only a game and if it bothers you that much then dont play 2. You can just as easily go and try to find a new spot but dont want to take the time to do so.

[Frumply]

but the whm's have to cast parana if you level on the tigers!

[Hisdon]

Originally posted by Khain
we are playing a GAME!!!!!!!! people play games to have fun not to have

1. its only a game and if it bothers you that much then dont play

I'm sorry man but your asking for trouble from people by saying that...>.> I won't say anything but if others do...I warned ya

[trainable]

Originally posted by Hisdon
at lvl 49 an LS mate of mine dragged me down to the citadel for some beetles in a pt he made. We get there and find we are sharing the camp, with a BST. Within the first minute this BST MPK's me and my buddy with a ghost type mob (those nasty sons of bitches in Kuftal/Necro coffer keys/Garlage coffer keys, forgot name) For the rest of our time there, the ass would tame/untame a beetle (and she was 60 or so, so it'd give us like 30 exp) until it was so horrible we had to leave. Yes, a BST can ruin an exp spot, and this JP bastard decided to take it way too far =/ (and yes we were the only pt there)

Hello, misinformation! Spread any bullshit rumors lately besides this one?

BSTs can't charm ghosts, so we can't MPK with them. The only AE they have is Curse, so if you got hit with a Curse, you shouldn't have shared camp with them. Unless the BST was killed (which is the only way BST can reset agro on ghosts), the ghost would not have come for you. That's not an MPK.