Paladin or Darkknight (Greatsword)

[Wesker]

Well guys i finally reached level 30 :spin:
So i asked myself which Job would be the best for me....
I really love Greatswords , and the only jobs which can use Greatsword good are Paladin and Darkknight......
The Problem is, that only Paladin can wear Flamberge-Type Swords (Black one)....
Can anyone of you give me a Tip which Job would be the best for me??? (Iam Elvaan)

[Stormwalker]

Really, you have two problems.

From what most people will tell you, a Paladin should not wield a greatsword because they are unable to use a shield, which deprives you of one of the paladin's abilities (shield bash), reduces your defense (most important thing for a paladin) and eliminates your ability to deflect attacks with a shield. The end result being that you take more damage, which is not a good thing when it's your job to take on all the aggro.

But for a DRK, which has the best greatsword skill of any job, most people will tell you that your primary weapon should be a scythe, because scythes inflict greater damage with their high-level weapon skills.

However, if you're hellbent on using a greatsword, I would recommend DRK over PLD, as the weapon is more suited to that job.

[Kibogaoka]

I second that. SE seems to have put the PLD only GS's in there for fun and eye-candy. I would use them for farming or things where you actually want to do the most dmg you can and really don't have to worry about taking too much.

[Socrates]

no~ GS is better for DRK after thf gets viper bite. scythe doesn't connect with viper bite whereas power slash does.

so until drk gets vorpal scythe at lv 49, greatsword is highly viable and any group that tells you not is a fool.

[Xephoid]

scythe and viperbite

They do connect. Here's a list of Dagger and Scythe skill chain up to my current job lvl (lvl 52 DRK).

[Slice] *DRK*
Wind - [Gust Slash] *THF* (Detonation)
Water - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Reverberation)
Wind - [Cyclone] *THF* (Detonation)

[Dark Harvest] *DRK*
Lightning - [Cyclone] *THF* (Impaction)

[Shadow of Death] *DRK*
Lightning/Wind - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Fragmentation)
Lightning - [Cyclone] *THF* (Impaction)

[Nightmare Scythe] *DRK*
Wind - [Gust Slash] *THF* (Detonation)
Water - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Reverberation)
Wind - [Cyclone] *THF* (Detonation)

[Spinning Scythe] *DRK*
Wind - [Gust Slash] *THF* (Detonation)
Water - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Reverberation)
Lightning - [Cyclone] *THF* (Impaction)

[Vorpal Scythe] *DRK*
Water/Ice - [Wasp Sting] *THF* (Distortion)
Wind - [Gust Slash] *THF* (Detonation)
Water - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Reverberation)
Water/Ice - [Viper Bite] *THF* (Distortion)
Wind - [Cyclone] *THF* (Detonation)

[Wasp Sting] *THF*
Water - [Dark Harvest] *DRK* (Reverberation)
Water - [Shadow of Death] *DRK* (Reverberation)
Water - [Spinning Scythe] *DRK* (Reverberation)

[Gust Slash] *THF*
Earth - [Slice] *DRK* (Scission)
Dark/Earth - [Nightmare Scythe] *DRK* (Gravitation)
Earth - [Spinning Scythe] *DRK* (Scission)
Earth - [Vorpal Scythe] *DRK* (Scission)

[Shadowstitch] *THF*
Ice - [Shadow of Death] *DRK* (Induration)

[Viper Bite] *THF*
Water - [Dark Harvest] *DRK* (Reverberation)
Water - [Shadow of Death] *DRK* (Reverberation)
Water - [Spinning Scythe] *DRK* (Reverberation)

[Cyclone] *THF*
Earth - [Slice] *DRK* (Scission)
Dark/Earth - [Nightmare Scythe] *DRK* (Gravitation)
Earth - [Spinning Scythe] *DRK* (Scission)
Earth - [Vorpal Scythe] *DRK* (Scission)


where [xxx] is the first ws to go, followed by the possible linking ws, with the resulting SC, and the element of the magic burst.

[Lone Dragon]

You kinda missed the point.

Any Fuidama compatible (non-elemental) WS has to go last because it usually does the most damage.
Darks don't really have any good or flexible WSs until Vorpal Scythe,
so before Darks get Vorpal, they should keep 2H sword lvled and have one on hand (especially if there's a Thief in the PT.)

[Stormwalker]

It could be argued that you also missed the point of my post, however.

The initial poster indicated that he wants to use Greatsword as his primary weapon. I don't suspect that he has any particular desire to abandon greatsword at high level (which is the point at which scythes become clearly superior, unfortunately).

Truth be told, I'm sort of irritated at the way the Greatsword gets the short end of the stick in this game. I've always liked swords, in all their incarnations, as weapons... there is a certain romance to them that axes and polearms and clubs and the like simply don't have. Unfortunately, the only job that is likely to find itself using a sword (not counting katanas and great katanas, which are very cool in their own right but are really very different things) is paladin, and he's pretty much restricted to one-hand swords because of his need for a shield.

I've seen plenty of high level DRK's walking around in Jeuno... but I've never seen one equipping a greatsword. And that, if you ask me, is unfortunate.

[albert lee]

seriously, after lvling to 35, it is hard to keep both skilled up. if your gonna be drk, keep scythe ws prioritey, and g.sword secondary. check the drk forum if you want info on this stuff. its been repeated, and repeated, and repeated.... do a search on g.sword and look for explanations from Awntawn, he knows what he's talking about and explains it well.

[Wesker]

scythe-VS-Greatsword

well first thing is.... as i already wrote... i hate scythes a lot.... everyone is running around with a scythe cuz of the damage blablabla....
they dont even look cool tough....
well iam going to be DRK with two handed .. never mind about damage i just like the look of the most of the greatswords....
thankz guys....
and just a question:
=> Can Darkknights equip greatswords like flamberg ( i mean not the same one but swords with the same look) ????
thankz ^^ :p :p :p

[Lone Dragon]

First of all 'Stormwalker', I wasn't talking to or about you,
so there's no point to be missed. ;x

Wesker, do whatever the hell you want,
but keep in mind that people will want you for Guillotine.
There are some nice Dark only 2H SDs,
but most of they are pretty high.

[Cali]

Someone need to post the weapon skill compatibility chart for jobs... (not renkei)

PLD is A for 1 hand sword, club and staff.

DRK is A for great sword, scythe...

If you use a C or below rank weapon for that job, you will be doing bad damage compare to the rest... for example... MNK with staff..? (no I havent try that)

[Synbios]

Re: scythe and viperbite

Originally posted by Xephoid
They do connect. Here's a list of Dagger and Scythe skill chain up to my current job lvl (lvl 52 DRK).

[Slice] *DRK*
Wind - [Gust Slash] *THF* (Detonation)
Water - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Reverberation)
Wind - [Cyclone] *THF* (Detonation)

[Dark Harvest] *DRK*
Lightning - [Cyclone] *THF* (Impaction)

[Shadow of Death] *DRK*
Lightning/Wind - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Fragmentation)
Lightning - [Cyclone] *THF* (Impaction)

[Nightmare Scythe] *DRK*
Wind - [Gust Slash] *THF* (Detonation)
Water - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Reverberation)
Wind - [Cyclone] *THF* (Detonation)

[Spinning Scythe] *DRK*
Wind - [Gust Slash] *THF* (Detonation)
Water - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Reverberation)
Lightning - [Cyclone] *THF* (Impaction)

[Vorpal Scythe] *DRK*
Water/Ice - [Wasp Sting] *THF* (Distortion)
Wind - [Gust Slash] *THF* (Detonation)
Water - [Shadowstitch] *THF* (Reverberation)
Water/Ice - [Viper Bite] *THF* (Distortion)
Wind - [Cyclone] *THF* (Detonation)

[Wasp Sting] *THF*
Water - [Dark Harvest] *DRK* (Reverberation)
Water - [Shadow of Death] *DRK* (Reverberation)
Water - [Spinning Scythe] *DRK* (Reverberation)

[Gust Slash] *THF*
Earth - [Slice] *DRK* (Scission)
Dark/Earth - [Nightmare Scythe] *DRK* (Gravitation)
Earth - [Spinning Scythe] *DRK* (Scission)
Earth - [Vorpal Scythe] *DRK* (Scission)

[Shadowstitch] *THF*
Ice - [Shadow of Death] *DRK* (Induration)

[Viper Bite] *THF*
Water - [Dark Harvest] *DRK* (Reverberation)
Water - [Shadow of Death] *DRK* (Reverberation)
Water - [Spinning Scythe] *DRK* (Reverberation)

[Cyclone] *THF*
Earth - [Slice] *DRK* (Scission)
Dark/Earth - [Nightmare Scythe] *DRK* (Gravitation)
Earth - [Spinning Scythe] *DRK* (Scission)
Earth - [Vorpal Scythe] *DRK* (Scission)


where [xxx] is the first ws to go, followed by the possible linking ws, with the resulting SC, and the element of the magic burst.

You should realise that with this thing you posted,
Scythe + Viper = Level 1 renkei = Crap
There is a reason why THFs use H2H until they get Viper Bite, don't bother with the post Viper dagger weapon skills.

And as long as you're a damage dealer, it doesn't hurt to have 2 or 3 weapons capped. I've partied with a WAR who had weapon = anything in this search comments.

Melees who level 1 weapon only and think it's good = death

[Feday]

what about dragoon that only lvl 1 weapon ?:|

I guess staff would be ok to lvl and fight skeletons with but eh, anything else is shit =P

[Synbios]

Originally posted by Feday
what about dragoon that only lvl 1 weapon ?:|

I guess staff would be ok to lvl and fight skeletons with but eh, anything else is shit =P

Staff would help a lot when doing M11, basically, all I can remember about M11 was.. Cyclone, Circle Blade, Earth Crusher.. Repeat from start.

[Artfuldodger]

As my own experiences, i lvling both Great Sword and Scythc, it depends on ur PT members, b4 i got lv49 if i ve thf in my PT, i gonna use Great Sword for power slash > viper bite.

when i d reached 49, i got vorpal scythc > now i can use both Great Sword n' Scythc , dmg for both power slash n' vorpal scythc suck ( i mean 100-400 dmg on VT mobs ) but all i want is can renkei with viper bite / dancing edge

n'way , i recommend u to be DRK if u wanna use Great Sword cuz pld will never use Great Sword in lv up PT ws225 Greater sword makes huge dmg ( lv65 ) and scythc will work at 250 ( lv71 ) ^^''