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  • Dragoon versus Dark Knight

    I first started the game as a Warrior, hoping to progress along the path to a PAL\WAR. However, now, at level 15 WAR, I must say that I HATE pulling. In my understanding, Paladins are the class that does this. I like taunting and taking damage well enough, but pulling is just not my thing at all. Neither is leading the party.

    So, I came to the conclusion I wanted to be a support physical damage dealing class. This would include NIN, SAM, DRK, DRG, MNK, RNG, maybe THF, and probably another I'm forgetting. NINs are not my thing either, because to be really desirable, you need expensive blink pouches. The same goes for RNG--I don't want to have to hunt down items and sell them before I can join monster-killing party.

    I don't enjoy Monk. I find them sort of boring and I don't like the concept of attacking without a hugeass weapon. Samurai's AF looks kind of odd. Basically it's the helmet that bugs me. When I get past that, the class as a whole just seems a little boring. Lots of weaponskills, but I don't find that too exciting. Also, I have no idea how desirable they are in HNM or EXP hunts. I know that I never click on "Samurai" in my Search window at least. THF is definitely not my style unless its a subjob.

    Finally we come to DRG and DRK. It seems as though DRGS can do comparable damage to DRKs. Their weapons are usually about a second faster, their Pentathrust renkeis with THF, AND they have the Wyvern doing half their damage again. Wouldn't this let them do MORE damage than your average DRK? Then when they do a little too much damage and get aggroed, they just Jump it off. How bad is the defense compared to a DRK? They can't wear the armor that DRKs can. However, I never see anybody really seeking a DRG for their party either.

    DRK is really what I'd like to be, but I heard that you die alot, have aggro problems, and noone will want you in their party. I heard they're the most desired for HNM battles, correct? But you have to get to a nice HNM-fighting level first, meaning you need invites. Are DRK's spells fun or useful? How is their defense compared to a PLD? Say a PLD takes 200 damage at level 60. How much would a DRK take? DRKs also have a wide range of subs, from the standard THF and WAR, to the weird BLM and RDM, to the insane DRK\SAM.

    Speaking of the Samurai sub, do DRKs and DRGs have EXTREME aggro problems when subbing this? It seems like it would draw an absolutely crazy amount of it. Can anyone help me out in my dilemma as to what melee class to choose? I have about 14 levels of WAR and 15 of THF until I have to decide. But I'm training scythe and combat skills now, so training DRG skills early would be nice if I do indeed choose them.


    Ah, one more thing. The level 70 DRG JSE is incredible, with +10 all resists. What endgame items can the DRK get other than the crappy Balmung sword?

  • #2
    First of all, the paladins don't pull normally. The thf/random damage class will generally pull, pld stands there and taunts when the monster gets there. They generally do this so the pld doesn't have to run around losing MP, instead, he can just sit and gain MP until the monster comes. As for Drg vs Drk... the damage difference fluctuates a lot. Until 34, Drgs do much less, cause they're using spears, and not lances. After 34, (from what I've seen), damage is the same, with dragoon occasionally beating Drk in WSes (Double thrust is pretty damn nice if you berserk it)... and that's as far as I've seen. Dragoons are generally more desireable during this time too, because Double Thrust>Viper Bite is a reaaally nice renkei (In fact, from 34 to 40, I haven't been told to use a different renkei yet). But Drk definitely beats Drg once it gets Guillotine. Penta thrust is nice, but each hit is slightly less than a normal attack, so it's not insanely damaging. As for the gaps in my observations, you'll have to ask the higher level drks and drgs

    Edit: Drg JSE is teh suck >_> It looks nice, but its stats... meh. Elemental resists are practically useless in comparison to what the AF gives you, and its only other modifier is "Dragon breath damage taken down by so many %" which is... incredibly useless. There's like.. 6 dragons in the game

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    • #3
      So you're saying as a DRG I have MORE probability of pulling? Eh not good. Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it. I may go back to PLD now. Still kind of confused.

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      • #4
        No Drgoon is terrible at pulling. Dragoon?fs can?ft use ranged weapons. The only way a Dragoon could pull would be with Taunt(which you may or may not even have depending on subjob), or Jump neither of which are very effective in tight spots.
        Ailis
        竜・75

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        • #5
          Well I take it a DRK wouldn't pull either since they have low defense. Well at least this post has re-entered Paladin into the possiblity realm. What level are most people that complete DRG quest? That may be my deciding factor.

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          • #6
            all advanced jobs are lv30 requirement to obtain

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            • #7
              if u hate pulling, be whm, blm, rdm... they never pull...

              well, i think that's off the topic here, but here's my list of top pullers;

              1. thf
              2. war
              3. rng
              4. brd (rare, but some brd's prefer pulling, and they r actually one of the best pullers among all jobs.)
              5. pld at lower lvl (provided ur mp is full.)
              6. other meleers

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              • #8
                gee, i hit enter before finishing the post... :dead:

                anyways, the list is just a rough thought, so there's nothing against drk pulling or drg pulling as compared to, say, thf. but it's true that most of the times thf is the one who goes out to pull, and war comes next. other than those 2, whoever wants to do it just go out and pull.

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                • #9
                  pullers:

                  RNG
                  BST
                  THF
                  DRK

                  DRK fishes with poison and the crossbow :p Every other job is a fscking lazy bum. Warriors dun got any goddamn MP to heal yet they just sit there... bums I tell you.
                  DRK75 / THF37 / WAR37 / RDM60 / BLM31 / PLD11

                  ohnoez

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                  • #10
                    Gah as a War, even Sam, I was always expected to pull with provoke while everyone else sat resting their precious MP =P

                    Pulling isn't that bad though, it was kinda fun for me sometimes in the Crawlers Nest.

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                    • #11
                      I enjoy pulling as long as my comp doesn't crash on teh way back cause then I'm dead...>.>


                      about the whole DRG over DRK thing, think of it this way...what one has teh cooler AF? What do you prefer, tridents or scyths? do you want a few spells? Penta Thrust or Gullotine? the THF's renki bitch or the WAR is your bitch?

                      if you wanna go PLD trust me you'll never pull....as a WAR I'm almost always made to pull...and a DRK, still make me pull...lazy PLDs sitting on their highly defended asses....
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                      "Guys, I just set my oven on fire by trying to cook ramen in it, and broke the fire alarm with a frying pan. I think I'm in trouble." - Brawny (2006)

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                      • #12
                        i always liked watchin Carbuncle pull
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                        Wigglestyx: Lvl 53/DRK . 30/WAR

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                        • #13
                          IMO

                          Dragoon = Dark Knight
                          Pre- Penta Thrust, Pre- Guillotine

                          Dragoon > Dark Knight
                          Post- Penta Thrust, Pre- Guillotine

                          Dragoon < Dark Knight
                          Post- Penta Thrust, Post- Guillotine
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