Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

[Aksannyi]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

I'm fine with that, but I think WHM needs something else to counter it, otherwise you're going to see WHM fall into the same pit. I know it wasn't SE's fault that WHMs became rejected, but they could work something out to keep WHMs desirable. They came out with the Afflatus stuff and Esuna and all that jazz not long before I quit, and that stuff was nice, but it didn't make the players want WHMs.

Just saying, give RDM and SCH a bone but don't forget WHM. Granted I don't know if WHM is just horribly OP right now or if it's just people QQing, but it would sure piss a lot of the WHM folks off if suddenly RDM is the only healer anyone wants all over again.

[Murphie]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

It's horribly OP right now.

[Firewind]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

Oh...god...someone called WHM OP?

You guys are arguing two different unrelated points.

WHM has always been the best healer. No shit, sherlock. But WHM has not always been the most desired healer despite the fact that it's the best. Bring RDM back up to par somewhat, and guess who gets dicked? The fucking WHMs, just like we were all throughout ToAU and up until Aybssea. Try to tell me it won't happen again. I know this playerbase.

No one who played WHM during that era wants any of that bullshit brought back.

Besides, didn't you know? SE's way of "balancing" the game comes from letting one job be totally OP for a while, then nerfing it into the ground to give another job a chance to shine, then nerfing that job into the ground to give another job a turn to shine. They figure it will all even out in the end when every job has had equal opportunity to shine. If you didn't level it during its peak, oh well, too bad for you.

If I could thank you more than once I could. All giving RDM and SCH Cure V is going to do is fuck over WHMs in the big picture. The ToAU mentality will just repeat itself again and WHMs will get the shaft once more because RDMs and SCHs can't stop their whining.

I'll support RDMs getting Cure V when WHM gets a Tier IV Light Nuke and the Magic Attack bonus to make it worth casting, Refresh, Dispel and the ability to run both Convert and Light Arts at the same time. Oh give me Fast Cast and a decent level of Clear Mind too.

There are plenty of things that set RDM/SCH and SCH/RDM apart from a White Mage. Why should the ONLY role of a class be taken away because some whiny kids want their god mode RDM healer back?

[Murphie]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

I'm sorry, and you're so familiar with the current state of things in the game why?

Do you even SEE many SCH in the game? Much less at 90? I wonder why that is? On Valefor there are 7 level 90 SCH. 80 level 90 RDM, and over 300 level 90 WHM. That must be because the job is so awful in comparison. Also, all those shouts in Port Jeuno for WHM are obviously from people who are just kidding, and secretly want a RDM or a SCH.

With all of the current benefits afforded by Abyssea (which is where everyone plays) a RDM or SCH frankly don't have a chance in hell of keeping up with a WHM. So you can post as many stupid smilies as you want, but it doesn't actually make for a reasoned argument.

No one wants god mode RDM healer. Most RDM don't WANT to only heal. But they'd like to get invites.

[hexx]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

I'm sorry, and you're so familiar with the current state of things in the game why?

Do you even SEE many SCH in the game? Much less at 90? I wonder why that is? On Valefor there are 7 level 90 SCH. 80 level 90 RDM, and over 300 level 90 WHM. That must be because the job is so awful in comparison. Also, all those shouts in Port Jeuno for WHM are obviously from people who are just kidding, and secretly want a RDM or a SCH.

With all of the current benefits afforded by Abyssea (which is where everyone plays) a RDM or SCH frankly don't have a chance in hell of keeping up with a WHM. So you can post as many stupid smilies as you want, but it doesn't actually make for a reasoned argument.

No one wants god mode RDM healer. Most RDM don't WANT to only heal. But they'd like to get invites.

I have to agree with Murphie here, cuz it seems to me Firewind that you know nothing of how OP a WHM is in Abyssea. I've seen a SINGLE decently geared WHM take care of keeping and ENTIRE exp alliance alive during a multiple hour exp session. So yeah, laugh it up all you want, you're still wrong.

[Mhurron]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

Oh...god...someone called WHM OP?

Know how I know you don't play any more?

[cidbahamut]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

Just saying, give RDM and SCH a bone but don't forget WHM. Granted I don't know if WHM is just horribly OP right now or if it's just people QQing, but it would sure piss a lot of the WHM folks off if suddenly RDM is the only healer anyone wants all over again.

The problem is that it went from RDM ONRY to WHM ONRY.
What it needs to be is WE WANT WHM BUT RDM OR SCH WILL DO I GUESS.

[Firewind]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

I'm sorry, and you're so familiar with the current state of things in the game why?

Do you even SEE many SCH in the game? Much less at 90? I wonder why that is? On Valefor there are 7 level 90 SCH. 80 level 90 RDM, and over 300 level 90 WHM. That must be because the job is so awful in comparison. Also, all those shouts in Port Jeuno for WHM are obviously from people who are just kidding, and secretly want a RDM or a SCH.

With all of the current benefits afforded by Abyssea (which is where everyone plays) a RDM or SCH frankly don't have a chance in hell of keeping up with a WHM. So you can post as many stupid smilies as you want, but it doesn't actually make for a reasoned argument.

No one wants god mode RDM healer. Most RDM don't WANT to only heal. But they'd like to get invites.

Psst, it's Abyssea bonuses that are overpowered not classes. Clearly Squeenix agree with you which is why White Mages are getting such a massive nerf this update. Stack up what is available to a Red Mage or Scholar and what is available to a White Mage. It's clearly the bonuses that are a problem though I guess the shock of not having entire parties kowtow to your every demand anymore might be effecting your vision.

And I apologise that I'm not in the fucking game right now but I must be a horrible person for even considering that finals might be more important than a video game. And oh dear I'm sorry that I keep myself updated on patch notes, game changes and goings on, I forgot I'm not allowed to read a fucking thing about the game at all if I'm not on it 24/7.

I'm going to have to call my mother and tell her she didn't raise me properly.

[Mhurron]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

Clearly Squeenix agree with you which is why White Mages are getting such a massive nerf this update.

What the fuck are you on about.

[hexx]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

Psst, it's Abyssea bonuses that are overpowered not classes. Clearly Squeenix agree with you which is why White Mages are getting such a massive nerf this update. Stack up what is available to a Red Mage or Scholar and what is available to a White Mage. It's clearly the bonuses that are a problem though I guess the shock of not having entire parties kowtow to your every demand anymore might be effecting your vision.

And I apologise that I'm not in the fucking game right now but I must be a horrible person for even considering that finals might be more important than a video game. And oh dear I'm sorry that I keep myself updated on patch notes, game changes and goings on, I forgot I'm not allowed to read a fucking thing about the game at all if I'm not on it 24/7.

I'm going to have to call my mother and tell her she didn't raise me properly.

Nobody said you have to apologize, but if you're gonna express an opinion, make sure it's an informed one, lest you get called out on it.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

He's lost it Mhurron. He's stuck on ToAU era and can't escape.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

What it needs to be is WE WANT WHM BUT RDM OR SCH WILL DO I GUESS.

I'm good with that. I do not know enough about the state of the game to make any kind of judgment, which is precisely why I said that about them being OP in my post earlier.

It would be very nice to go back to the days where WHM was preferred but "we'll take another healer if we have to." But for a long time, it was RDM or gtfo. Now that it's WHM or gtfo there's a lot of crying from RDMs. Just saying, sucks to be on the other end a little?

But yes, balance would be nice.

And pardon my fragmented thoughts (if they seem fragmented). Up until a minute ago, I was watching the Pens game, but since they've decided they don't know how to play hockey anymore, I've turned it off and hurled my remote in disgust. I got up early for this?

[Malacite]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

WHM has always been the best healer. No shit, sherlock. But WHM has not always been the most desired healer despite the fact that it's the best. Bring RDM back up to par somewhat, and guess who gets dicked? The fucking WHMs, just like we were all throughout ToAU and up until Aybssea. Try to tell me it won't happen again. I know this playerbase.

That's exactly the point I was trying to make. You give RDM & SCH Cure 5, coupled with their superior MP endurance and WHM will be relegated back to a very niche end-game role. Also take note that again, Cure 6 is both only feasible and only necessary within Abyssea, Outside it's overkill for the MP it costs.

Since they buffed Sublimation royally, SCH can pretty much keep up with RDM now for MP endurance. So why invite a WHM? Don't really need R3 with EXP being so stupidly easy to get now, and the bulk of EXP mobs aren't even all that dangerous. Never mind that melee DD's are getting more and more OP with each update.


Again, *why* do you want Cure V, other than to bone over WHMs? If your Cure IV isn't cutting it it's likely because you have a crappy cure potency set. That's not SE's problem. Lowering the enmity on cures in general is kick-ass for everyone and should help SCH & RDM just fine without taking away from WHM.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

So remember kids: it's important that we only balance the game around exp parties, not around shit that matters.

Also: SMN would like a word with you Mal.

[hexx]

Re: Job Adjustments (04/21/2011)

I hate to agree with you Mal, but yeah I dont see why RDM or SCH would need Cure 5. I mean, speaking as a SCH myself, Cure 4 with some good extra cure potency and the Rapture stratagem, we can land some pretty nifty Cure 4's =P Cant speak for RDM though, never played the job past 50.....


Edit: Not to go off topic or anything but.....WTF IS UP WITH ALL YOU HAVING PONIES ON YOUR AVATARS? o_O;