Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

while totally forgetting that DNC (which I proposed using) has Stutter Step himself. lol.

To be fair, many Dancers forget that they themselves have Stutter Step. Much to the chagrin of mages, and much to the not-caring of the melees.

By the way. An 80 RDM/DNC has Stutter Step themselves, and has every reason to make use of it. Just something to think about.

[MrMageo]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

No i suggest they take a quick look on ffxiah and buy up all the crap the retards put on there that NPC's for more than they are selling.

Flourite
Reraise III
Thunder III
Gargouille Horn
Infinity Core
Feyweald Log
Buggane Horn
Lady Bug wings. people put them up in stacks you take them and do a quest, again and again and again.

Thats just a small list netting you aywhere from 500G to 2K gil and that is only running from the AH to Malfud and back.

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It's easy to get tunnel vision; had a chuckle when a certain poster started foaming at the mouth when I pointed out there are generally better setups than ones involving his RDM/DNC hacking away at the monster. He called me various names for not valuing how enspell II and Death Blossom lowers magic resistance, while totally forgetting that DNC (which I proposed using) has Stutter Step himself. lol. Avoiding narrow focus and strive to see how everything interconnects is another essential approach, in my opinion.

Right because a COR can keep a buff cycle and heal forever in an exp party....... wait till 96/48 and maybe you hve a valid point.

P.S. My party had a DNC too

Before you drag another thread this way, maybe you should check your moron meter, it is getting pretty high if you think a DDx3 BRD DNC COR, party will out last and out perform a DDx2 DNC BRD RDM COR party, well it might if you get a gimp RDM who doesn't melee, and therefore does not mesh with the DNC to surpass the DD provided by a 3rd. But you are right with COR's amazingly large and high endurance MP pool I have to be wrong >.>

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

The majority of Idiots were around a lot longer than AF, MMM, Level Sync, or Abyssea Leech. But to hone in a finer point. You think they should have to grind away for months, just so they can be worth it in your eyes? Does it get lonely on the pedestal of "Doing it the Right Way". Give me a break. That is hardly an excuse that BLM was just a scrub, one flip through the manual of the game can tell you all about macro's, on quick question in a LS or a shout "Hey how do I macro Fire" will yield an answer, a quick Google search will tell you anything you want to know from basic to an advanced macro.

Did you learn about macro's because you hit level 15 and said hey im in an exp party so I automatically know about how to make a macro now. No you read about it or you asked about it. You just didn't all the sudden learn something because you were in an EXP group without a PL. This guy was a scrub, but I can point out another 2 dozen on Lakshmi, who are equally as lazy or stupid, who are at level 80. Hell one of my good buddies is the shittiest Ninja I have ever seen, He leveled it up around the time I was leveling my RDM, he did it the old school way slow as 5K hour parties, he is still dumb as shit at the job. But he sure is one hell of a PLD which he just had powered through with AF party in March, he is now the main tank for LS events.

Want to know how he did it. He did this

"PLD tanking FFXI"

Oh a guide on how to tank on PLD. .. .. ..

Ok guys can I try and tank this... bam done

It is not hard if you put effort into it, however if you are lazy and don't care you will never succeed at anything.

You remind me a lot of my son when he was getting his license. (Let's also note that my son was not the typical teen and was afraid to drive because of a bad accident. When he finally got the courage up to do it he was 25 years old and not a teen.) He read the manual, he'd seen other people driving through the years, hell he'd even had a simulator...video games! He assured me that he knew what he was doing, it wasn't that hard, and this would be a piece of cake. Guess what? It wasn't. You know why? Because nothing trumps real experience at doing something......NOTHING.

[MrMageo]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

Again what is the point. A SMN is expected to main heal in EXP parties, what experience to they get other than what Cure hate is, and how shitty they are at healing. They get to endgame and are expected to do something totally different. So 74(79) levels of useless lessons. That is of course unless all you want to do one your SMN is to continue healing exp parties.

NIN is expected to tank (even though they suck without a THF) they get to endgame, and are not wanted otherthan a mijin Gakure to start things off. THF expected to SATA in EXP in endgame all they are used for is a 1 Hit and Quit TH bitch or sac pull, another thing they don't learn in EXP.

Do RDM's learn how to chainspell stun in an exp party, Id hope not because by this sites, 2006 viewpoints, RDM should only ever /WHM.

Hell BLM doesn't even get to EXP post 55, so by your logic all BLM's post ToAU must suck because they had to solo.
Same goes for BST's
and old DRG's

By your logic everyone must suck but RDM,BRD,COR,WHM,SAM,(new DRG),WAR because thats the group of most EXP'd jobs. Most others have to solo or hope they get picked. Or they go a different route and AF, Abyssea Leech, Level Sync because waiting 2-3 days with your flag up hitting the same T- mobs again and again and again hoping someone will pick you to PT, for the next 70 levels, is awesome.

And I reiterate what i said before, unless the are a lazy moron, learning the jobs in FFXI is NOT A HARD THING TO DO at cap. Hell its easier at cap because a lot of the time the roles change.

I could go on and on but I think this has run its course,

OP you can sit around and FoV all day hoping for a party, or you can look into one of these alternatives to getting EXP. Either way you job will change at cap when you get to endgame and you will get to learn things there. Should you go an alt route, be sure to keep your combat and magic skills capped along the way, and if you have any questions, pertaining to your job, google it, or ask in game or ask in forums. What I told you is the truth people don't want to take the time for mediocre parties. Should you get a party, it will likely be @ 37 when you fight colibri level syncing back to 37 until 55, where you fight colibri until 75, when you then go to abyssea. Not really knowing anything much more about your job than you do today.

[Clever Ninja]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

Again what is the point. A SMN is expected to main heal in EXP parties, what experience to they get other than what Cure hate is, and how shitty they are at healing. They get to endgame and are expected to do something totally different. So 74(79) levels of useless lessons. That is of course unless all you want to do one your SMN is to continue healing exp parties.

This has less to do with the fact that SMN has a huge mp bar and more to do with the fact that SMN's are heavily restricted DD wise due to how avatars work. And that's not even the case anymore nowadays, at 55+ I could just be a Refresh and buffer when I was leveling SMN, using Ecliptic Howl for the DD's every 3 minutes and keeping up Diabolos Favor between that for 2-3mp a tic(hits 3 a tic at like 55-57 depending on how much +summoning skill you got if your skill is capped).

NIN is expected to tank (even though they suck without a THF) they get to endgame, and are not wanted otherthan a mijin Gakure to start things off. THF expected to SATA in EXP in endgame all they are used for is a 1 Hit and Quit TH bitch or sac pull, another thing they don't learn in EXP.

NIN can tank endgame, it's just weaker than the other jobs since all they've gotten in several years is Yonin(decent tanking buff) and then a bunch of nerfs to /DRK tanking while PLD, RDM(prenerf), and hell even SAM turned into better capable tanks for years. If you're low manning something that needs shadows NIN isn't a terrible choice if that's what's available.

Do RDM's learn how to chainspell stun in an exp party, Id hope not because by this sites, 2006 viewpoints, RDM should only ever /WHM.

Did you just try to refer to chainspell as something hard to learn? Really? Not even gonna bother with everything else if your argument for RDM is that they never get to chainspell stun in xp parties. Should really just stop talking like you know everything, cause you frankly don't. This is why you're terrible.

Long story short; Is people getting several levels faster through Astral Burning or Abyssea chest leeching bad? If they are an experienced player that won't have issues learning them later, no, let them get their easy xp. I learned alot about playing SMN from doing FoV and stuff that shaped how I ended up doing things like how I wrote my macros for the job and I also take time to still work on capping my summoning magic skill because I know how important it is, but majority of my xp from that job till 70 was still from Astral burning, and I could have powered it to 80 and still learned these same things by soloing with it at 80 because of how much I played this game.

Does this situation fit the majority of people in this game? No, a lot of people want to take the easy way out without learning the basics, and there's a big difference between someone like me whose played for 6+ years learning job basics and someone a few months in learning the basics with a max job they know little about. Trying to advocate to someone who doesn't sound like they know a lot about these things like the OP is completely stupid to do and only shows how retarded you are.

[Truece]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

Should really just stop talking like you know everything, cause you frankly don't. This is why you're terrible

He's obviously playing a different game than the rest of us...

[cidbahamut]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

Again what is the point. A SMN is expected to main heal in EXP parties, what experience to they get other than what Cure hate is, and how shitty they are at healing. They get to endgame and are expected to do something totally different. So 74(79) levels of useless lessons. That is of course unless all you want to do one your SMN is to continue healing exp parties.

How about backup healing, buffing and handling links with Carbuncle? All of which our Summoner did in an exp party the other week.

Do RDM's learn how to chainspell stun in an exp party, Id hope not because by this sites, 2006 viewpoints, RDM should only ever /WHM.

Christ, you're so stupid it hurts.

And I reiterate what i said before, unless the are a lazy moron, learning the jobs in FFXI is NOT A HARD THING TO DO at cap. Hell its easier at cap because a lot of the time the roles change.

Every time you say this, you dig yourself deeper into the hole. I think it's safe to say that you're deep enough in that you've lost all perspective.

[TheGrandMom]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

Ok, enough of name calling and insinuations. If you can't discuss things civilly then the thread will be closed. There is an ignore feature for a reason, please feel free to use it liberally.

[MrMageo]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

This has less to do with the fact that SMN has a huge mp bar and more to do with the fact that SMN's are heavily restricted DD wise due to how avatars work. And that's not even the case anymore nowadays, at 55+ I could just be a Refresh and buffer when I was leveling SMN, using Ecliptic Howl for the DD's every 3 minutes and keeping up Diabolos Favor between that for 2-3mp a tic(hits 3 a tic at like 55-57 depending on how much +summoning skill you got if your skill is capped).

Wow.... interesting, and what were you invited to do? Main heal, how much main healing have you done in endgame..... thats right, so you gained useless imaginary skill that required you to cast cure 3 when someone went yellow. The simple fact is most of the skills you learn as SMN come from solo, heck I doubt you even know how to self SC with SMN. If you did you certainly wouldn't scoff at its ability to deal damage, since it was the first non-2hr job capable of self skill chaining. But im sure you knew that, from main healing in exp parties. Yes you can be a buffer, but how did you find that out, certainly not because you were in an exp party, you look at the abilities, well titan can AoE stoneskin, Garuda can hastega etc etc etc. Then you apply it to the situation, is anyone giving haste, yes ok so ill use something else, it is common sense.

NIN can tank endgame, it's just weaker than the other jobs since all they've gotten in several years is Yonin(decent tanking buff) and then a bunch of nerfs to /DRK tanking while PLD, RDM(prenerf), and hell even SAM turned into better capable tanks for years. If you're low manning something that needs shadows NIN isn't a terrible choice if that's what's available.

NIN was good until PLD got its big buff after that NIN was garbage, RDM has always been good, and for a long time was only used by the top teir shells until the "secret" was found out. NIN was never a great HNM tank, it always required DD/THF or THF to continually plant hate on it. If none of that was present than the DD and mages would pull hate. The solution to this was /DRK, however it was worse off than a RDM using those spells to build hate due to lack of fast cast, and unable to being unable to get 100% -interrupt (see aquaveil change). NIN was never great, it was tolerable because everything else (except RDM which wasn't popular yet) was unable to evade or blink as much.

Long story short; Is people getting several levels faster through Astral Burning or Abyssea chest leeching bad? If they are an experienced player that won't have issues learning them later, no, let them get their easy xp. I learned alot about playing SMN from doing FoV and stuff that shaped how I ended up doing things like how I wrote my macros for the job and I also take time to still work on capping my summoning magic skill because I know how important it is, but majority of my xp from that job till 70 was still from Astral burning, and I could have powered it to 80 and still learned these same things by soloing with it at 80 because of how much I played this game.

Does this situation fit the majority of people in this game? No, a lot of people want to take the easy way out without learning the basics, and there's a big difference between someone like me whose played for 6+ years learning job basics and someone a few months in learning the basics with a max job they know little about. Trying to advocate to someone who doesn't sound like they know a lot about these things like the OP is completely stupid to do and only shows how retarded you are.

Fair enough the OP is a little new, does not change the fact that the rest of the game is not. well over 70% of this game have 1 or more cap jobs. This means that they do not care about piddly 5K-35/hr max parties from 10-80. They want their new jobs leveled fast so they can be used yesterday. The OP asked him where everyone was, I told him where everyone was, they are all leveling quickly because they have been threw the grind. I suggested the OP do the same because he can learn his job at cap before he goes to endgame. He can solo in FoV, he can do besieged, or Campaign to hone his skills and learn his job, he can read on the net through years of resourceful information that is a click away.

Just because there are a plethora of idiots does not mean everyone is. Thats like saying anyone who leveled pre NA release is automatically better at the game than anyone in NA or EU. Would you make that argument? I doubt it. So why argue a point that is not arguable. What about people with past mmo knowledge who already know fundementals of how MMO's work. Could you derive that the OP is new to MMO's from his topic, I couldn't all he asked was where all the people were. You and several others simply assume the OP knows nothing about anything. Sure he may not know anything about this game in particular, but im sure he knows enough that if he is a DD he hits the mob, can't hit the mob get ACC, how do you do that, look it up.

You can't learn everything from EXP it makes no difference how you get levels. As long as you put the effort in to learn your job you will succeed, for example how you did your FoV stuff to hone what you wanted to do. Regardless if this was your first or sixth job.

I quit this game a few years back, and went and played WoW. I plyed a druid class, and had friends from school burn me through all the levels, I was 80 in a month after registering. 2 months later I was in the #1 Duo team for PVP, something I had not ever done until cap. But i read about it and practiced and got really good. Did EXP teach me that, nope I learned it on my own. I also taught myself to tank. By the time my 4 months of wow was up, my guild had progressed from being just in Naxx 10 to complete ICC, with me as the Tank, something I never did in EXP, I simply read forums and asked other druids how to d it best.

The assumption that AF, Level Sync, Abyssea leech produces shitty players is retarded, and has no real evidence to support it. Lazy and stupid people make for shitty players, not the way in which they level.

If you do not ask questions you are doomed to fail.
If you do not research you are doomed to fail.

There is nothing in an EXP party that can not be learned by simple questions and simple research. Should you not choose to utilize these avenues, than you are doomed to fail. Period.

This argument is as stupid as a gun argument.

Anti fast levelers : Guns kill people
Me: no people kill people
AFL's: you are so stupid this blah blah blah
Me: The gun didn't pull its own trigger
AFL'sL: you are and idiot.
Me: Ok but guns still don't kill people, people kill people
Cheif AFL: Im closing this thread because Mageo has a valid point, the guns don't kill people people kill people
ME: see stupid lazy people, are fail, just like people who kill people with guns.

[Vyuru]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

This'll repeat what some others have said, but OP:

Being a fairly new player do NOT follow Mageo's advice, this is bad for a number of reasons.

1) Lack of combat skills.

2) Lack of player skills. There is alot that you learn through experience, and you are cheating yourself of that experience.

3) Lack of gil. By burning through the levels you are not going to find ways to make gil that work, and once you hit 80 or whatever level you're going to most likely be hurting for gil. Frankly it takes time to figure out a method that works for you.

4) Lack of networking. Burning greatly reduces the chances of getting to know other players and building a social network that gets you linkpearls and gets you friends to help with missions, genkai's, events, etc.

5) Reputation: As a party leader putting together a Abyssea run, I can't tell you how much I frankly look down on the low level people (between ranges 30-44 generally) who bug me constantly for a spot in my alliance. I'm at 5/18 say, I need healers, I need DDers, I need tanks, why would I pick up worthless weight at this point? Secondly, I don't know you from Jack Thumb. I don't know if you'll take the loot and run with it, I don't know if you'll ignore certain chests, I don't know anything about you, why would I trust you with the very important task of chest opener? If I am putting an alliance together, either I myself will be the chest opener, someone from my LS, or my friend's list, generally people I trust. And yes, 90% of the time chest openers ignore temp item chests, predominantly ignore silver light chests, and twice now have ignored the gold light chests.

6) It is frankly impossible for you to burn through Abyssea means. To be a chest opener you need a minimum of 5 stacks of Forbidden Keys, each one costs 500 per key, which amounts to 30,000 Cruor. Can you obtain this solo? Yes, with a ton of work and a very long time. Unless you have that cruor, you are not worth the time of an abyssea alliance. Even then, unless you are friends with the people putting the alliance together, it's probably hard to get in at 30.

Then too there are some jobs you can burn, and some you cannot. Let's take Pld for instance. I am a DAMN good bloodtank and one of the best Plds around in exp parties. I'm confidant that there is nothing that I do not know for the majority of Pld tanking, and the little I do not know would be easily researched. Yet I would not burn on Pld at all. I am that good and my Pld is only 50. The passive combat skills (parry, evasion, shield) are too important to have leveled. Granted, I have evasion capped at 80 for blu/drg, parry is pretty high, I think 180+, but my shield skill is dependent on Pld, and MUST be worked on.

Dnc is honestly another one that I would not burn, there is actually alot to learn there. When can you go and blow your TP on a WS? When do you want to give say, haste samba vs drain sambas? What steps? The list is huge, and frankly I speak from experience. I had a Dancer in my CoP static, he burned his Dnc in order to keep up with our initially planned progress, and he was pretty decent for the most part. He had some issues due to the burning, but you know, he was a decently intelligent fellow who did decent when he put his mind to it. Now in my LS there are two other players who play Dnc, neither of whom burned their dancers and frankly, they blow my old CoP static buddy dancer out of the water in terms of performance. They have a ton more experience than he did, it's just that simple.

So no. Until you have played a bit more I wouldn't be taking any burn parties.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

Ok, enough of name calling and insinuations. If you can't discuss things civilly then the thread will be closed. There is an ignore feature for a reason, please feel free to use it liberally.

There's not much of that 'insinuations' stuff going on; Mageo had pretty much been "flame on" the second he perceived a criticism, constructive or otherwise. It soured the atmosphere and others became more inclined to resort the kind of name calling we see so much here.

But, yes, civility would be nice. Or at least more precise and accurate criticism than just phrases like "check your moron meter"--while that's mildly creative (well, it can be viewed that way, if at grade school level, right?), it doesn't exactly advance one's argument any.

On second thought, let's just go back to civility. I feel dirty for participating in the insult game, even briefly. lol.

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Someone else has already mentioned this, but most lowbie players won't be able to get into Astral Flow parties anyway. The OP should feel free to ignore much/most of the discussions.

Level up, and enjoy!

[MrMageo]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

1) Lack of combat skills.

Skill up solo, mobs must be even match to your weapons this means even at lvl 80 you can go back and skill you skill lvl 30 weapon on valkurm dunes mobs same with parry shield and gaurd, same as magicks. Healing magic does nothing but save interupts, and can be skilled in a city, enhancing magic can be skilled in cities, etc etc etc

2) Lack of player skills. There is alot that you learn through experience, and you are cheating yourself of that experience.

Player skills are hardly defined in EXP situations. You think those blue mages who full time AF in exp parties are skilled give me a break. While some arguments can be made as to skill vs mob types, such as these mobs agro to this, these mobs use these moves, this move does that. Ya you can learn those in EXP i won't deny that, but you can learn it solo or from reading the mob families online.

3) Lack of gil. By burning through the levels you are not going to find ways to make gil that work, and once you hit 80 or whatever level you're going to most likely be hurting for gil. Frankly it takes time to figure out a method that works for you.

Disagree, just because one is 80 does not mean they don't know how to make gil. Infact being burned to 80 leaves more time to make gil. While others are slaving away to get the next level you are out farming, making gil. Or as outlined above by me, taking advantage of the retards who put certain things on the AH for less than they can be NPC'd. Gil making knowledge does not come via EXP parties, it comes from the act of making gil.

4) Lack of networking. Burning greatly reduces the chances of getting to know other players and building a social network that gets you linkpearls and gets you friends to help with missions, genkai's, events, etc.

This I can agree with, and is probably the only drawback for a new player. However a simple shout in a major city for a social shell will remedy that. But do it early an inform the you are new, don't pretend like you know things, then beg for help cause leads to another point I can agree with

5) Reputation: As a party leader putting together a Abyssea run, I can't tell you how much I frankly look down on the low level people (between ranges 30-44 generally) who bug me constantly for a spot in my alliance. I'm at 5/18 say, I need healers, I need DDers, I need tanks, why would I pick up worthless weight at this point? Secondly, I don't know you from Jack Thumb. I don't know if you'll take the loot and run with it, I don't know if you'll ignore certain chests, I don't know anything about you, why would I trust you with the very important task of chest opener? If I am putting an alliance together, either I myself will be the chest opener, someone from my LS, or my friend's list, generally people I trust. And yes, 90% of the time chest openers ignore temp item chests, predominantly ignore silver light chests, and twice now have ignored the gold light chests.

Dont become a bad player, all of this crap isn't learned in just EXP it is learned anywhere in Vanadiel, you start learning from equiping your first weapon. Bad players will be bad players, and people remember that. It doesn't matter how you get there, just don't become a bad player.

6) It is frankly impossible for you to burn through Abyssea means. To be a chest opener you need a minimum of 5 stacks of Forbidden Keys, each one costs 500 per key, which amounts to 30,000 Cruor. Can you obtain this solo? Yes, with a ton of work and a very long time. Unless you have that cruor, you are not worth the time of an abyssea alliance. Even then, unless you are friends with the people putting the alliance together, it's probably hard to get in at 30.

This is true it is hard to get in at 30 unless you know people. But the key thing is kind of BS. Yes you need keys a minum 5 stacks is a little over the top. Chest last long enough you ca check in the cracks, and open the ones people really care about TE's Gold's Ebon's and Items (non temp). No one cares for the others really, so don't waste keys on them if you guess them open, then great if not so what.

Dnc is honestly another one that I would not burn, there is actually alot to learn there. When can you go and blow your TP on a WS? When do you want to give say, haste samba vs drain sambas? What steps? The list is huge, and frankly I speak from experience. I had a Dancer in my CoP static, he burned his Dnc in order to keep up with our initially planned progress, and he was pretty decent for the most part. He had some issues due to the burning, but you know, he was a decently intelligent fellow who did decent when he put his mind to it. Now in my LS there are two other players who play Dnc, neither of whom burned their dancers and frankly, they blow my old CoP static buddy dancer out of the water in terms of performance. They have a ton more experience than he did, it's just that simple.

Its not just that simple. Ill tell you right now you will gain 1000x more experience from soloing DNC than PTing with DNC. Would I burn DNC, probably, would I join a static or an event with my DNC before i was fully prepared and comfortable with it. Not a chance. People rely on you to know what to do in many situations, and this doesn't just apply to dancer it applys to all jobs. Somethings you pick up on your own, some from asking, others from reading. Very seldom will you gain any real ability from an EXP party. (except maybe as a PLD)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

I have no idea why you have such a strange idea about Abyssea. Exp rate there is heavily dependent on the gear and ability of the players and the set up used (and yes, more than one set up can work--but ability and setup both matter). It requires greater coordination than any WS spam party, in fact, while the old rule of gimped players/setups make gimped exp/hr still applies--just the "gimped exp/hr" can be a lot higher now.

RPGs live and die by role definition. Abyssea EXP groups marginalize the uniqueness of roles across the board. You have gone from 20 jobs to four jobs with several namess within them called "Samurai" or "Bard" but could generally be replaced by anything within the four roles - "nuker," "melee," "tank" and "healer."

You comment regarding the loss of "balanced party" is especially confusing; you do realize that for the first time in ages, the words "nukers" and "normal exp groups" can finally be used in the same sentence, right?

Yeah, "nukers" by which you actually mean "just the Black Mages" and not SCH, RDM or BLU. SCHs are going to be healers and there's no way around that. Its what they will be in every Abyssea party, every time. Alliances have this way of taking your wide range of skills and boiling you down to that "best" thing you do.

Look, People didn't play jobs like BST or PUP for years only to finally be accepted because they don't have a significant impact on EXP flow. They're not invited because of what they can bring to the table, not invited because of SE's efforts to keep them unique, but because they can hit things. Is that the best a PUP and BST can do?

I sould point out that "hitting things" is something most jobs can do. When you've spent over 70 levels of your career going it alone because the community deigned that was your only choice and then they just suddenly decided you can join their little reindeer games, something is seriously wrong with the game.

It actually makes me miss the elitism of the old days. TP Burn just threw the door wide open, Abyssea rips it off its hinges.

[Clever Ninja]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

Wow.... interesting, and what were you invited to do? Main heal, how much main healing have you done in endgame.....

To buff and refresh, was specifically asked if I had both avatars. Your entire argument is invalid, fail less.

[MrMageo]

Re: Where is everyone? Can't find a party for days!

RPGs live and die by role definition. Abyssea EXP groups marginalize the uniqueness of roles across the board. You have gone from 20 jobs to four jobs with several namess within them called "Samurai" or "Bard" but could generally be replaced by anything within the four roles - "nuker," "melee," "tank" and "healer."

Seriously, like Colibri didnt marginalize the definition of jobs? Seriously. Is that why I was asked to not enfeeble colibri, is that why I was asked not to nuke colibri. All I was left with was healing and melee, a RDM who isn't usin his A+ skill outside Dia. No tanks to be seen anywhere, never a BLM or a hybrid job, never a WHM or a SMN. Yes Abyssea is destroying the EXP party. Just like ToaU destroyed the EXP party.

Yeah, "nukers" by which you actually mean "just the Black Mages" and not SCH, RDM or BLU. SCHs are going to be healers and there's no way around that. Its what they will be in every Abyssea party, every time. Alliances have this way of taking your wide range of skills and boiling you down to that "best" thing you do.

Look, People didn't play jobs like BST or PUP for years only to finally be accepted because they don't have a significant impact on EXP flow. They're not invited because of what they can bring to the table, not invited because of SE's efforts to keep them unique, but because they can hit things. Is that the best a PUP and BST can do?

I sould point out that "hitting things" is something most jobs can do. When you've spent over 70 levels of your career going it alone because the community deigned that was your only choice and then they just suddenly decided you can join their little reindeer games, something is seriously wrong with the game.

It actually makes me miss the elitism of the old days. TP Burn just threw the door wide open, Abyssea rips it off its hinges.

Seriously do you think before you type.

Traditonal EXP party
PLD (or tank)
WHM
RDM
Puller (usually THF or RNG)
DD
DD

TP burn
DD
DD
DD
BRD
COR (or BRD or DD)
RDM

Magic Burn
BLM (or SCH)
BLM (")
BLM (")
RDM
BRD
COR

Typical "Good" Abysea party

Party 1
Tank
WHM
RDM
Puller
DD
DD

Party 2
DD
DD
DD
BRD
COR (or BRD or DD)
RDM

party 3
BLM (or SCH)
BLM (")
BLM (")
BRD
COR
RDM

Looks to me like abyssea has combined the history of partying together, all these are required to make a good exp in
abyssea. Optimal parties from each generation of EXP.

How is that bad?