Your ACP choices thread!

[Malacite]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

At least on PC there are many times macros simply don't respond*, so if you are going to press the macro key more than once then make sure you will at least cast the spell even if not all the equip swap macros register.

Yup and it pisses me off every time ; ;


EDIT: We have several Relic Owners and stage 4 owners in Dynacore, so I've seen them used every run I go to. They're powerful to be sure, but they're not such a huge improvement over non-relic owners that simply having it will make you the best and that's what I object to; they're the pinnacle (well, Mythics more so I guess) of what's wrong with this game. They don't have to be super godly broken the way Apoc was but there should be a substantial power boost and not just a marginal increase in performance (Spharai is about 10% better damage than Destroyers which is utter bullshit)


Back on topic, tried the fight last night and got our asses handed to us trying the ranged strategy. We've decided to attempt a zerg run next time, just trying to determine how many SAM & MNK we should use >.>

[Aksannyi]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

This is true. I'm listing what relics we have so that he knows that I know what I'm talking about. Not from firsthand experience, mind you, but at least from being around them daily.

[Cotners]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

How many relic holders do you hang out with daily? Just wondering. We've got several Apocs in our linkshell, 4 active Aegis, an Amano, two Bravuras, a couple Yoichi's, a couple Ghorns, a few Excaliburs, and on Sunday we will have our second Mandau. Shit's not really that rare anymore. And while they are not totally completely game breaking the way you want them to be, they are all amazing in their own way. We've had a PLD basically solo DD Khimaira from 100-85% with Excal while people were on their way to support. Tell me that's not overpowered. Not saying "OMG NERF EXCAL" but seriously the relic weapons, which are only hard to obtain if you don't have any gil, really are worth their money, with the exception of the mage ones, which, even if you're going for pure melee DPS, are still the top you can get by a mile.

Nothing in this game shows a markable improvement. If the rest of your gear is shit and you wear an E body, your E body doesn't make you OMFGPWN Amazing. It makes you a shitty DD that probably shouldn't have even gotten the chance to lot an E body and will still be outparsed by Hauberk/Haubergeon DDs with decent (or better) gear in other slots. If you have good gear already, and you get an E body, it will make you marginally better than before. Everything in this game is that way. And trust me, there are some seriously gimp wastes of relics out there. (One Mandau on my server, seriously, makes me cry ... my THF is 21 and I could put it to better use than him.) This game is set up so that everything stacks upon each other in terms of improving damage/healing/nuking capabilities. It has been this way for a long time. Why would they change it now, and power up the relics? I don't think they need a power up. They are amazing as they are.

Not saying you are wrong about the rarity of relics, because they are increasingly more common, but the amount of relics in your linkshell is pretty ungodly, alot of endgame linkshells don't have any relic holders at all.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

But that's the whole point. God forbid we have at least one fucking piece of equipment that's worth the effort. This is one thing I have to give to WoW. If player A has a WoW equivalent to a Relic and Player B does not, Player A is going to blow him out of the water because said weapon is just that awesome. Instead, you end up with a marginal advantage after over a year of "work".

And it's not like there would suddenly be a mass flood of Apocalypses. Yeah, there would be the obvious issue of it being the only really amazing choice and thus ppl would flood to DRK, but it's not like this is nothing new to the game.

We did it with RNG, then BLM, and now SAM is the current favorite bandwagon DD. The main difference is Hagun is a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to obtain by comparison and is marginally weaker. (DRK don't need Apoc to cap Haste, it just helps)

How many relic holders do you hang out with daily? Just wondering. We've got several Apocs in our linkshell, 4 active Aegis, an Amano, two Bravuras, a couple Yoichi's, a couple Ghorns, a few Excaliburs, and on Sunday we will have our second Mandau. Shit's not really that rare anymore. And while they are not totally completely game breaking the way you want them to be, they are all amazing in their own way. We've had a PLD basically solo DD Khimaira from 100-85% with Excal while people were on their way to support. Tell me that's not overpowered. Not saying "OMG NERF EXCAL" but seriously the relic weapons, which are only hard to obtain if you don't have any gil, really are worth their money, with the exception of the mage ones, which, even if you're going for pure melee DPS, are still the top you can get by a mile.

Nothing in this game shows a markable improvement. If the rest of your gear is shit and you wear an E body, your E body doesn't make you OMFGPWN Amazing. It makes you a shitty DD that probably shouldn't have even gotten the chance to lot an E body and will still be outparsed by Hauberk/Haubergeon DDs with decent (or better) gear in other slots. If you have good gear already, and you get an E body, it will make you marginally better than before. Everything in this game is that way. And trust me, there are some seriously gimp wastes of relics out there. (One Mandau on my server, seriously, makes me cry ... my THF is 21 and I could put it to better use than him.) This game is set up so that everything stacks upon each other in terms of improving damage/healing/nuking capabilities. It has been this way for a long time. Why would they change it now, and power up the relics? I don't think they need a power up. They are amazing as they are.

[Ellipses]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

I made a typo.. i mean rank-A 2-handed weapon ... Orz

Oh. Well. That's completely different then.

[Celeal]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

MNK, THF, BST, NIN and BLU all have A-rank weapons and get the Wardecors. I think it's simply a matter of armor type (kinda-heavy vs. not-so-heavy vs. you-pussy-mage).

I made a typo.. i mean rank-A 2-handed weapon ... Orz

[Solymir]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

(kinda-heavy vs. not-so-heavy vs. you-pussy-mage).

I lol'd.

[Ellipses]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

I maybe wrong... it seems that melee jobs that can equip rank-A skill weapon group with Nuevo Coselete (PLD has rank A staff skill?), while the rest of melee jobs group with Mirke Wardecors.

MNK, THF, BST, NIN and BLU all have A-rank weapons and get the Wardecors. I think it's simply a matter of armor type (kinda-heavy vs. not-so-heavy vs. you-pussy-mage).

[Raydeus]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

It's not necessary to input /ma Blizzard III <t> on each macro you hit, you will just end up getting the 'unable to cast spells' messege twice. If you want to make sure you are hitting the correct macro, you could put an /echo command in there.

It's probably due to macro lag.

At least on PC there are many times macros simply don't respond*, so if you are going to press the macro key more than once then make sure you will at least cast the spell even if not all the equip swap macros register.



*Specially in crowded settings such as end-game events or Besieged/Campaign.






PS > All hail XI's client.

[Celeal]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

I maybe wrong... it seems that melee jobs that can equip rank-A skill 2-handed weapon group with Nuevo Coselete (PLD has rank A staff skill?), while the rest of melee jobs group with Mirke Wardecors.

At this point I still cannot decide between Nuevo Coselete and Mirke Wardecors. I don't do any end-game until this point (not sure about the future). I guess either choice i pick, I would still have to keep AH-able melee body piece that i current have.

[Cotners]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

No, but

/ma "Blizzard III" <t>
/equip main "Aquilo's Staff"
/equip sub "Bugard Strap +1"
/equip head "Wlk. Chapeau +1"
/equip neck "Elemental Torque"
/macro set 6

/ma "Blizzard III" <t>
/equip L.ear "Moldavite Earring"
/equip body "Errant Hpl."
/equip hands "Yigit Gages"
/equip back "Prism Cape"
/macro set 7

/ma "Blizzard III" <t>
/equip waist "Penitent's Rope"
/equip legs "Duelist's Tights"
/equip feet "Goliard Clogs"
/macro set 5

Set those three macros in the same slot in sets 5, 6 and 7 and you can tap that button 3 times to swap 11 items and cast. You could do all 16 slots if you used 4 macro sets, but there's usually at least 4 slots that don't get swapped between my standing set and any spell. Doesn't really work for spells that use <st> but I'm fine with only swapping 5 slots for refresh, haste and cure.

It's not necessary to input /ma Blizzard III <t> on each macro you hit, you will just end up getting the 'unable to cast spells' messege twice. If you want to make sure you are hitting the correct macro, you could put an /echo command in there.

[Taskmage]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

Wait how the hell did you do that?

Can you actually use a macro to trigger another macro?

No, but

/ma "Blizzard III" <t>
/equip main "Aquilo's Staff"
/equip sub "Bugard Strap +1"
/equip head "Wlk. Chapeau +1"
/equip neck "Elemental Torque"
/macro set 6

/ma "Blizzard III" <t>
/equip L.ear "Moldavite Earring"
/equip body "Errant Hpl."
/equip hands "Yigit Gages"
/equip back "Prism Cape"
/macro set 7

/ma "Blizzard III" <t>
/equip waist "Penitent's Rope"
/equip legs "Duelist's Tights"
/equip feet "Goliard Clogs"
/macro set 5

Set those three macros in the same slot in sets 5, 6 and 7 and you can tap that button 3 times to swap 11 items and cast. You could do all 16 slots if you used 4 macro sets, but there's usually at least 4 slots that don't get swapped between my standing set and any spell. Doesn't really work for spells that use <st> but I'm fine with only swapping 5 slots for refresh, haste and cure.

[Ellipses]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

Wait how the hell did you do that?

Can you actually use a macro to trigger another macro?

Maybe someone should write a sticky or something, given how often this has come up now.

Macro set 1, Alt-1
/equip "Thing1" slot
/equip "Thing2" slot
/equip "Thing3" slot
/equip "Thing4" slot
/equip "Thing5" slot
/macro set 2

Macro set 2, Alt-1
/equip "Thing6" slot
/equip "Thing7" slot
/equip "Thing8" slot
/equip "Thing9" slot
/equip "Thing10" slot
/macro set 3

Macro set 3, Alt-1
/equip "Thing11" slot
/equip "Thing12" slot
/equip "Thing13" slot
/equip "Thing14" slot
/equip "Thing15" slot
/macro set 1

Hit Alt-1 three times in a row, just like he said. If you stick a /recast or /ma in there somewhere you don't get as many gear swaps, obviously.

[Malacite]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

Wait how the hell did you do that?

Can you actually use a macro to trigger another macro?

---------- Post added at 11:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:57 PM ----------

You sure love to complain about broken-ass things.

Going from 80% Haste to 93.3% Haste TRIPLES the number of attack rounds you did WITH 80%. And at 80% Haste you're already attacking 5 times as much as with 0 Haste.

Triples. 15 times as many attack rounds.

With a goddamned Relic weapon.

But that's the whole point. God forbid we have at least one fucking piece of equipment that's worth the effort. This is one thing I have to give to WoW. If player A has a WoW equivalent to a Relic and Player B does not, Player A is going to blow him out of the water because said weapon is just that awesome. Instead, you end up with a marginal advantage after over a year of "work".

And it's not like there would suddenly be a mass flood of Apocalypses. Yeah, there would be the obvious issue of it being the only really amazing choice and thus ppl would flood to DRK, but it's not like this is nothing new to the game.

We did it with RNG, then BLM, and now SAM is the current favorite bandwagon DD. The main difference is Hagun is a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to obtain by comparison and is marginally weaker. (DRK don't need Apoc to cap Haste, it just helps)

[Raydeus]

Re: Your ACP choices thread!

I recently rewrote all my macros to cycle between 3 palettes so I can hit the Para II macro three times and swap 12 slots of gear. It was a pain to write but <.<d

I think you are right, make that 16 line macros instead of 12.