FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

[Nataka]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I'm honestly surprised people are getting so worked up about this.

I agree, it sucks. Both sides really shouldn't have done what they did. But you know what? It HAPPENS. Get over it and move on. There's no point in bickering so much about it.

[Skoal]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Will this be read from the LOLinternet History books? Anyone outside of the MMORPG community is probably laughing thier asses off at BG and other FFXI sites right now.

Kind of my point. When Amele said "history won't judge him as a villian", I was making the point that "history" probably won't remember him. Honestly I don't really even know what he does. Getting .dat info is the only thing I remember him doing.

[Sevv]

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No money was lost as a result, so no prosecution will occur. He won't be going to jail even if he walked up to a judge and said 'I did it, send me to jail.'

Then your previous posts where you call him a criminal are proven false.

But what is the worst about this from BG is thier community is already trying to make it political, which makes it even more miserable to deal with. Soon it will be lolAllaWiki from them.
In other words, par for course on BG.

Talking shit about BG, normal bitching.

In other words, par for the course for BBQ.


You make every attempt to talk shit about them we get it you don't like bg, ok good. Leave it alone then if you don't want to deal with it right?

[Murphie]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

thats kind of a dumb reason to leave a site.....
its not like these 3 people have planed from day one

for the site to say open, they had to sell it to Wiki, plain and simple

Well, the cool thing about this is that it doesn't matter what you think of his reasons.

[Mhurron]

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Then your previous posts where you call him a criminal are proven false.

Being a criminal requires doing something illegal, not being convicted of it. The statement 'A convicted criminal' is not redundant because of that.

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I'm honestly surprised people are getting so worked up about this.
I agree, it sucks. Both sides really shouldn't have done what they did. But you know what? It HAPPENS. Get over it and move on. There's no point in bickering so much about it.

The bickering always starts because someone posted the info, which in right the community deserved to know about. Posted an opinion then people take low blows instead of keeping it clean and it evolves into this thread with people calling each other out. I didn't throw the first low blow but I have thrown them in this thread as response, I'm not innocent from it.

Kind of my point. When Amele said "history won't judge him as a villian", I was making the point that "history" probably won't remember him. Honestly I don't really even know what he does. Getting .dat info is the only thing I remember him doing.

Windower, Atomos server, .dats, a few more things that elude me atm.

Well, the cool thing about this is that it doesn't matter what you think of his reasons.

LOCK THE THREAD ITS OVER, the truth has been spoken, everyone has the right to form an opinion boycott or support this now.

I don't look down on people who will use wiki after this, at the same time there are people here who look down upon those who won't. That is causing the problem, really. Everyone is entitled to use or not use any public site, do you all still harass people from alla who moved here when they sold out? It is a choice and theirs to make.

Being a criminal requires doing something illegal, not being convicted of it. The statement 'A convicted criminal' is not redundant because of that.

Prove the fact he did it and You win, if not then drop it.

[Rylan Hart]

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No money was lost as a result, so no prosecution will occur. He won't be going to jail even if he walked up to a judge and said 'I did it, send me to jail.'

That doesn't matter.

Title 18, United States Code, Section 1030(a)(2) provides:

Whoever— (2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains— (A) information contained in a financial record of a financial institution, or of a card issuer as defined in section 1602(n) of title 15, or contained in a file of a consumer reporting agency on a consumer, as such terms are defined in the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.);
(B) information from any department or agency of the United States; or
(C) information from any protected computer if the conduct involved an interstate or foreign communication ... shall be punished as provided in subsection (c) of this section.

Taj clearly obtained information from a protected computer, violating 18 USC 1030(a)(2)(C).

The big IF here, is IF he gets caught, which I hope he doesn't. But Taj DID break federal law in obtaining this information.

[Omni]

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Do you really really think the DA will even bother prosecuting this even if he said OK i did it?
(its a rhetorical question, so please dont answer)
You must be out your mind if any DA will bother prosecuting some internet crime involving a an mmorpg website.
Again, he wont be going to jail nor anything bad will happen.
Let's just in your wildest fantasy the DA does prosecute. He still wont get any jail time.
1) non-violent crime (white collar crimes rarely get jail time unless its a repeat offense)
2) first offense
3) you're taking up space in jail, processing time, lawyer time etc for some guy who again, let me put it in perspective for you, hacked a website about an online video game.
Again, no. He wont be going to jail.

[Sevv]

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(its a rhetorical question, so please dont answer)

/sigh ; ;

[Rylan Hart]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Do you really really think the DA will even bother prosecuting this even if he said OK i did it?

(its a rhetorical question, so please dont answer)

Sorry -- I hate rhetorical questions, so please don't ask questions if you don't want an answer.

A DA or District Attorney wouldn't, as their jurisdiction would be limited, since this would be a federal case. A US Attorney, at the recommendation of the Secret Service, or the Federal Bureau of Investigation will, if

1. A Complaint is filed
2. The SS or FBI can provided enough evidence to the US Attorney that he did it.
3. The US Attorney (or deputy) thinks they would win the case.

[Olorin401]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Even tho It is not under the best situation /welcome to the site. BGwiki will not be connected to BG forums so it may just keep with what you thought the old wiki was, don't know how the allawiki will be. We have alot of knowledge around here, hope you enjoy the community. As you can see we have our petty fights now and then as well as anyone does.

Petty fights? Actually I think this is quite an engaging and intellectual conversation! And frankly I'm glad that everyone here has kept the conversation at that level.

As for BG forums, let me put it this way - it is a great source for information, especially if you're into hardcore endgame stuff. It's not the most appealing place because of the endgame snootiness and flair for doings things that are questionable, but if you get the information you need from sifting through all the garbage, without getting involved in the drama, then there shouldn't be anything to complain about.

[Omni]

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Sorry -- I hate rhetorical questions, so please don't ask questions if you don't want an answer.
A DA or District Attorney wouldn't, as their jurisdiction would be limited, since this would be a federal case. A US Attorney, at the recommendation of the Secret Service, or the Federal Bureau of Investigation will, if
1. A Complaint is filed
2. The SS or FBI can provided enough evidence to the US Attorney that he did it.
3. The US Attorney (or deputy) thinks they would win the case.

Dude, youre out your mind.

its a rhetorical question because you've got a ridiculous pipe dream.

It's nice and all that you're quoting some civil procedure law school text but really...

I edited my post, he's not going to jail.

this is almost comical now.

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

We can have the he is going to jail discussion when/if a case is filed. Deal?

[Amele]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

If that's what you intended, you failed miserably.

is he jefferson? no. is obviously a rhetorical devil's advocate to counter people claiming that I was comparing him to our founding fathers. it's a pretty standard rhetorical device actually.

So if I were to form an opinion on The Count of Monte Cristo, and publish that opinion, in order to use quotes to support that opinion I would have to quote the entire work in order for you not to think they were out of context? You're entire post was not about this exact subject so there is no reason why I would have to quote the whole thing just to talk about the last point.

no. but you should quote more than a sentence, and in either case it's not acceptable to form an opinion of a work and cite the Cliffs Notes version of the work as your reference, regardless of whether you read the original (see: quoting tl;dr) again; basic.

apparently, having respect for someone and sympathizing with their cause means pedestal around here

That's pretty much the definition of putting someone on a pedestal.

Personally I agree with this sentiment here
and I don't admire or idolise Taj, I respect him. (and yes, there is a difference between respect and idolatry.)
but since it seems pretty clear you and I disagree on* the definition of the colloquial phrase we may as well drop this one either way (I respect your right to think I've put Taj on a pedestal and am satisfied with what I've been able to say; you're welcome to say your piece too, if you wish to further discuss it.)

Yes, TD Ameritrade hired morons to manage how their backups are handled, but a Wiki admin knows all.

hyperbole ill fits your argument; IQ 80 and sub highschool degree is hardly a moron; it's a 15 year old who's a little below average working his first job at a movie theater. (which involves filing reel-to-reel tapes.)

and you don't need to "know all" to know you should have multiple passwords. that's "how to use the internet 101" and anyone not recommending it to people is doing everyone a disservice on the level of not suggesting someone lock their car in a bad neighborhood.

Dirty little secret - Most people running websites don't know their ass from their elbows, this includes wiki admins.

dirty little secret: most people capable of passing a CAPTCHA test (which is generally necessary at some level in the process chain of obtaining servers setting up a domain and loading content) is capable of remembering more than one continuous string of at least 4 characters.

and again; my statement is merely that a sufficient subset of sysops are sufficiently capable of having more than one password for important things that getting their password to a game wiki will not immediately give you their password to their personal email address not a sure thing. (hence; gamble.)

No, your statement was anyone who can setup a wiki knows enough to follow good security practices. A monkey can set up a wiki so the statement is false.

A monkey can be taught good security practices (in fact many animals practice better security practices than a typical human.) and I challenge you to show me a member of the ape family that has setup a wiki successfully if you're going to keep splitting hairs with me.

you're going to make track down the quote train? ok. done.

(Amele) you could push through the wiki and then gamble the gmail password is the same.
(Mhurron) they don't usually call a sure thing a gamble
(Amele) anyone with the capability to set up a wiki and a forum knows enough about internet security to know that you use at least a couple different passwords (if not every one unique) so yes, it's a gamble to assume that the wiki admin password would be the same as the gmail password.
(Mhurron)Ya you go on living in that dream world where people need to know things to make services available on the internet, or is setting up a Wiki more difficult then managing TD- Ameritrade's backup's?

(pretty sure the rest is on this page)

whether I made a blanket statement or not; the general assertion is the same. (I'll drop into formal language here) there exists a subset of group Sysop that knows enough about the internet to know you don't make all your passwords the same.

I posit (implicitly by generalization to the whole) that this subset is sufficiently large that it is not a guarantee (re: sure thing vs. gamble) that the wiki password will match the gmail password.

You attempt to argue with me that untrained monkeys and incompetent entry level employees are more capable on average than a typical sysop (general statement by analogy) so, since you're so convinced that most Sysops are either a) that stupid or b) that complacent. please provide support to your argument beyond the theoretical single case of ganiman et al.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Leave it alone then if you don't want to deal with it right?

Please read what I say, I admin an FFXI-related site, the matter was forced into my lap. We don't get a choice in avoiding the issue, we have to address it in within our ranks. Some of those people include BG and FFXIlopedia members.

Its not a fun thing to be dealing with right now.