holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

[Shanisasha]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

Apparently there were about 15 tarus, all 75 in port jeuno last night selling Sky pop items.


...all lined up in a row. Go figure.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

They have no fear of S-E reprisals that's why. Same way people comment on how obvious it is when one name monopolises an item at the AH. Yes, it would make more sense for them to try and mask their actions but the game is in such a state where these people feel they're untouchable.

[Jei]

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lol I guess people saw the 62k price of Taco and everyone are selling taco now. We had 40+ stacks of Taco last night as oppose to 8 stack when the price went up.

RMT will not make money from this item on my server Taco doesn't sell as fast as Sushi.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

What I'd love to see is some kind of movement set by crafters on each server whereby specific players are available to sell items to other legit players throughout the day. I mean by direct trading and exclusion of the AH and Bazaars. Yes, there will always be sheep who blindly go to the AH and pay whatever the current price is and the lazy pricks who buy gil will still spend regardless of price but ultimately it would impact on the RMT.

Each crafter take a certain time, say 16.00 to 16.30 where they sell or synth items for people during that period. If speciality synths are required then the people can post their needs on the forums and a list is formed that the crafters in the movement can work down. The crafters are getting guaranteed and often repeat trade whilst the buyers are getting reasonably priced goods not subject to RMT price hawking.

[FatCharlie]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

What I'd love to see is some kind of movement set by crafters on each server whereby specific players are available to sell items to other legit players throughout the day. I mean by direct trading and exclusion of the AH and Bazaars. Yes, there will always be sheep who blindly go to the AH and pay whatever the current price is and the lazy pricks who buy gil will still spend regardless of price but ultimately it would impact on the RMT.

Each crafter take a certain time, say 16.00 to 16.30 where they sell or synth items for people during that period. If speciality synths are required then the people can post their needs on the forums and a list is formed that the crafters in the movement can work down. The crafters are getting guaranteed and often repeat trade whilst the buyers are getting reasonably priced goods not subject to RMT price hawking.

This is a noble idea, but I think it would turn out to be a full-time process and people want to level their jobs. And when you get down to it, it would have to be a full-time process. RMT have so many people working for them that the characters are almost always on. They simply have more people dedicated to fishing/camping/crafting than do the honest players. Let's face it, the only reason RMT plays is to make money in RL. They don't play the game to have fun, it's a job for them.

I stick to my original suggestion, make a server dedicated to China only and see how quick RMT stops.

[Jei]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

some legit fishermen don't sound too happy with me trying to get the price back down.

http://titanictus.com/viewtopic.php?t=1739

w/e, price is back down to 32k. With or without me it surely will be down to this price because a lot of people saw the 62k price and put like 40 stacks of Taco into the AH anyway.

So you think I was wrong for lowering the price?

[greydaze]

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I dont know if you should just ride the wave and make some gil or try futilely to lower the price.

The thing that gets ME is this:

The other day in Sky, my LS and I were camping Ulli when, lo and behold, we notice a group of anons. They all had the same LS: EnlesslyReform. And one of them even came up to us and said, "We're back, good luck adventurers, lol." They are gilsellers. The accounts were only temp-banned. At least they all died when they got Ulli, and even if my LS didn't get him, another legit Sky LS did.

[Karinya]

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lol I guess people saw the 62k price of Taco and everyone are selling taco now. We had 40+ stacks of Taco last night as oppose to 8 stack when the price went up.
RMT will not make money from this item on my server Taco doesn't sell as fast as Sushi.

Exactly. Did anyone other than RMT even buy at the 60k price?

[Theyaden]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

some legit fishermen don't sound too happy with me trying to get the price back down.

http://titanictus.com/viewtopic.php?t=1739

w/e, price is back down to 32k. With or without me it surely will be down to this price because a lot of people saw the 62k price and put like 40 stacks of Taco into the AH anyway.

So you think I was wrong for lowering the price?

Looks like it was just one guy objecting to you lowering the price back down and one other questioning if it was RMT or a regular crafter trying to setup the price gouge.

Regarding the one in the linked forum saying you were doing something the RMT do: Generally the things I notice going way down in price once the RMT's target it are low level consumables. (I'm basing the assessment on noticing hords of keyboard mash named characters hunting them and the sales going to the same kind of name). Usually the higher end stuff that is easier to lock a monopoly on is what they push up. I suspect a RMT contractor decided he could increase his productivity with this tactic. I saw nothing wrong with you helping level the price back down to where it was and thought it was comendable you didn't cement it to the new rate. Since taco's are not a fast moving item one person can make a difference there.

Also noting if the price was going high at the same time on multiple servers generally either an update making the item better or a 3rd party orginazation such as RMT exc is helping it along since each sever ecconomy moves at different paces.

Regarding the China only server: since the gillsell companies actually just pay 3rd parties for gil rather than having their own employe's do it what would happen is a shift from China RMTers to India or another area where the cost of labor is cheap. I'll grant you'ld knock down some of the current nest, but it could probably be done just as well with another 3rd party tool ban fest.

Final note I wasn't teribly impressed with the guy that was complaining about the price fixing being killed. Him commenting on the profits you could make riding the wave is one thing (We all have a greedy streak sometimes), but even putting aside if it was RMT or a regular player doubling the price attacking someone for trying to stablize the price after an obvious price fix attempt is rediculious.

[eticket109]

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I can see both sides of it. While I understand trying to keep the price down I can understand someone else trying to profit from it. Though I don't know why you assumed it was an 'RMT' player. 'Legit' players can be pretty greedy too.

[Celeal]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

Besides Taco, does anything else in your server got its price jack up in the same manner?

If RMT is behind this, I would expect RMT would inflate the price of other consumables, like sushi, meat, silent oil, ninja tools...

Why inflate price of Taco? The market is mainly for level 50+ PLD. The demand is smaller then other consumables. It is not worthed.

Unless majority of the Taco maker agrees to inflate the price of Taco, that individual person attempt of controlling the price of Taco will most likely fail. Lack of demand, lack of control for those farmer or fisherman who supply the material for Taco...

P.S.
There is nothing wrong to undercut the price of Taco, it is legal within the game rules.

[Ghostraven]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

Look at the names. I'd bet my account that those are Gilseller accounts.

[Jei]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

sole sushi price went up about 12k last night. I wasn't keeping track of it tho so no idea if it's a price spinning or just low supply.

on my way to SSG today, I ran into this, just now o.O;

[Aries Black]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

While running to my MH in Lower Jueno I saw something shouting this numerous times. I know that those drops are r/ex. Looks like they're selling services now too. =\

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ntitled1-1.jpg

[Balfree]

Re: holy hell. RMT is back with their price spinning effort.

What I'd love to see is some kind of movement set by crafters on each server whereby specific players are available to sell items to other legit players throughout the day. I mean by direct trading and exclusion of the AH and Bazaars. Yes, there will always be sheep who blindly go to the AH and pay whatever the current price is and the lazy pricks who buy gil will still spend regardless of price but ultimately it would impact on the RMT.

Each crafter take a certain time, say 16.00 to 16.30 where they sell or synth items for people during that period. If speciality synths are required then the people can post their needs on the forums and a list is formed that the crafters in the movement can work down. The crafters are getting guaranteed and often repeat trade whilst the buyers are getting reasonably priced goods not subject to RMT price hawking.

I agree.

The problem is that whenever someone proposes something like that, half the world population will flame them and laugh at them. It's been suggested and it's been beat down to a pulp with an ugly stick...

FFXI would be better without an AH, Vanguard is eliminating the auction house because they believe its a better way for RMT to sell stuff.

Think about it.. FFXI would be very different if there didnt exist an auction house, you'd have to ask people to craft stuff, things would be a bit more meaningfull and there would be alot more interaction between sellers and buyers.