Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

[Mazon]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Oh and responding to:

Duh, write it down or print it out. I personally know which direction to face based on my crystal, which moon phase affects my synth and what day affects my synth. It's not hard to plug in a few mental numbers and do it. Those online calculators are for people that failed 9th grade Trigonometry.

And come on, who DOESN'T get the synth support you need to pay like 120 gil for? That's a no-brainer....

Obviously you missed the entire point. At any point in synthing any one or all of those factors CAN change. Any one can alter your skillup session. Anyone could royally f**k you.

I don't make gil to burn away on synthing. I use the crafting timer to maximize efficiency while skillingup in the limited time I play. Now if I were to buy gil, sure I'd say f**k it all, I'll just powerlevel through the craft. Not me buddy. I earn my gil. I'm making sure I synth efficiently so that I don't lose that 300-500k dicking around on Goldsmithing.

Sure I COULD write it all down. I COULD write every possible instance that MAY occur during my synthing session. Wave goodbye to the nice Synth Session. I work. I have a relationship. I have friends. I have family. The little time I have to play this game, I do things effectively.

And yes. I could do the math. Which is MORE time consuming than using the timer.

[Zamphire]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Alright, all i've been using is windowers, that's it. Do they really have a way of finding out if you have it or not? Also have there actually been people being banned for only using just that?

I can't say for sure, but I think you're ok. I havn't heard of anyone using just the windower and nothing else getting banned.

[DakAttack]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

I'm not going to give links because I don't want to get in trouble, but you'd be surprised how many people use these tools. They are VERY easy to use and easily obtainable for free. I know of off the top of my head at least 5 websites with 500 or more people registered at them. All with easy access to both those tools and many many more.

Yea, and I bet those that are using it around afraid to share it with their friends.

Oh well, 2000 down, ??? more to go. I suppose I'll have to look out for more than just RMT now.


Edit:

Start up the Windower and call a GM, then tell me if they can see it or not.

[Raydeus]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Alright, all i've been using is windowers, that's it. Do they really have a way of finding out if you have it or not? Also have there actually been people being banned for only using just that?

SE said:

...a number of accounts which were confirmed to have violated the user agreement by using unauthorized third-party software tools within FINAL FANTASY XI to enable abnormal in-game movement were discovered and have been permanently suspended.

So it seems it was only about movement hacks and not the windower itself, however both things are usually related so who knows.

[Shrayn]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

id hate to be band for useing my windower, i was always booted from stupid comp things, so i just use my windower and put it to fullscreen size and when somethings pops up i just exit it without getting booted off ffxi...
*wishes with all his mite that he dosnt get banned*

[Herrisa]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

If SE would allow me to type in Japanese, without having to install my Japanese client, then I would stop using it.

All I use it for is being able to alt+tab out to talk on AIM and look at web pages while I wait for a party. As well as the capability to speak in Japanese, as I just don't like playing on the Japanese client.

See... I don't think anybody really has an issue with that. It's when people use Windower to tack on warp hacks, speed hacks, etc. that the issue arises. I would love to use an official Windower myself just to log on and off of Ventrillo (pain in the rear logging off the game just to open and close the program), but it just stands that far to many people use the program to cheat. I'm not talking seeing TP and stuff, I mean the hardcore, game-breaking cheats that makes our gaming experience miserable and unfair.

[neighbortaru]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

you can check to see if you are banned by trying to log into the LS community site:
http://fanzone.playonline.com/lscom/index.do

(thanks to someone on theorderls for that tip)

[Zamphire]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

I'm on hold with POL now I'll let you know what I find out.

[Greylynx]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Obviously you missed the entire point. At any point in synthing any one or all of those factors CAN change. Any one can alter your skillup session. Anyone could royally f**k you.

I don't make gil to burn away on synthing. I use the crafting timer to maximize efficiency while skillingup in the limited time I play. Now if I were to buy gil, sure I'd say f**k it all, I'll just powerlevel through the craft. Not me buddy. I earn my gil. I'm making sure I synth efficiently so that I don't lose that 300-500k dicking around on Goldsmithing.

Sure I COULD write it all down. I COULD write every possible instance that MAY occur during my synthing session. Wave goodbye to the nice Synth Session. I work. I have a relationship. I have friends. I have family. The little time I have to play this game, I do things effectively.

And yes. I could do the math. Which is MORE time consuming than using the timer.

Losing Gil is part of crafting. I lose hard earned gil all the time skilling up on smithing. If you can accept that risk then stop crafting. The fact that you don't want to lose gil doesn't entitle you to break the TOS and us a windower. Those of us who follow the TOS and don't use windowers to access crafting timers would appreciate it anyway.

[Zamphire]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

you can check to see if you are banned by trying to log into the LS community site:
http://fanzone.playonline.com/lscom/index.do

(thanks to someone on theorderls for that tip)

You can also try logging in here https://secure.playonline.com/polplu...ist/login.html

[Telera]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

I think it's ridiculous that XI is Full Screen only. For the record I'm on PS2, but most everyone I know is a PC gamer. And most of them have Windower. It's asinine to think that running it only in full screen will prevent cheating. When you've got people as 'creative' as our lovely RMT friends, that's nothing more than a mudpuddle in their path.

It has been some time since I quit Galaxies, but I believe I was fully capable of minimizing the screen had I any reason to. This did not make it any easier to cheat or write cheats on anyone's part. Actually, the way the economy, crafting, etc was set up, there wasn't alot of *reason* to cheat. There may have been speed hackers or the like, but you know, I never heard about them. So far as I saw, I never saw an "NM" or anything of the like. Most everything high grade was crafted by other PC's. (Until the gimped 'upgrade' when almost everyone left.) Truth be told, I think XI would be better off with an economy/craft system of that nature, but it's far too late for that. That alone made the need for hacking much less.

No, I don't think it's fair that they locked it to full screen for the PC users, and I'm not even one of them. They wanna know something, they have to log out. If they happen to have a ad-ware problem that send them random pop ups (I knew someone with this until he finally got it all rooted out of there.) they d/c randomly because heaven forbid something else be on the screen with XI. Hackers are Hackers. And they'd do it even with it locked to full screen. I don't know jack about programming but I'm sure that there'd be plenty of methods around that.

Perhaps if they had installed one from the start instead of being so naive to think that one mere bit of programming would prevent RMT, we'd not be having this problem. Windower may or may not make it easier on them, but the lack thereof would not hamper them, either.

I'm fully against *all* forms of cheating and botting, etc, but I fail to see the harm in someone being able to minimize their game if they're needing a quick check on something else. Perhaps SE should install that in the upgrade. Because most people who use Windower use it only for that feature and have no intention or design on cheating or 'besting' their fellow player. They, being intimate with the programming, could probably easily implement a windowed mode, while finding ways to disable the use of plug-ins. It would just take more time on their part than they're apparently willing to spend.

But then again, doing something like that would make sense. And for anything to make sense in today's way of business would just be anti-thesis to the whole affair.

[Zamphire]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Amen sista!

[Hamlet]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

I started using windower a few weeks ago. I had read alot of threads about people using it, and then one day I decided to do all the Windy money scroll quests. I was getting prepped to do it when there was a problem with my printer (which I still haven't fixed yet). I was like, "Ah, what the hell, why not." and downloaded it.

It is really cool. It's nice to look up info and also cool to be able to stream episodes of mystery science theatre 3000 while partying. It did make certain situations too laggy (like melee burning, or dynamis with more than like 20 people), but besides that, it was good.

I think I escaped being suspended, either by luck or the fact that I haven't been playing too much and only using the windower for a couple weeks.

I'm not going to use it anymore, though, and I never would've used it for hacking (even though 50 line macros would be nice for rdm, I'm just not interested in that. I consider it unfair.)

[Hearshot]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

SE shouldn't be able to see our Windows Running Processes, i don't see how this is possible if windower isn't detectable any other way.

If i were SE i'd do chatlog searches for the word "Windower" and go from there... which would probably pull up a number around 2k of those who talk about using it themselves... i'm sure more than 2k use it and don't talk about it.

[Mazon]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Losing Gil is part of crafting. I lose hard earned gil all the time skilling up on smithing. If you can accept that risk then stop crafting. The fact that you don't want to lose gil doesn't entitle you to break the TOS and us a windower. Those of us who follow the TOS and don't use windowers to access crafting timers would appreciate it anyway.

Those who follow the TOS... which is who?

PC users have backgrounds applications running all the time. Etc. Antivirus, a open web browser they forgot to close before logging on the game, messenger services.

Console players need only change the channel.
Not a single player doesn't go agains the TOS, it's just the manner in which it is violated.

I accept gil loss from crafting. But I'll minimize it as I can.