This is why you don't give beggers gil

[Ziero]

Don't know if this is the right place to put this, if not feel free to move the topic to where ever

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After this incident I changed to my mule and he asked me on that not knowing it was me. He also apparently asked a few other people I know. When people ask for help I'll offer help and once I get to know em I'll prolly give em some starting cash. But I never just flat out give people gil and this guy is the reason why.

[Murphie]

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I've run into similar situations so many times. It's frustrating as all heck. And what really bugs me is when I get hit up for gil and I decline (as I always do), and then the next guy they bug totally hooks them up. This particular beggar was asking in /say, or I'd never know it. I asked the guy who gave him gil why he did it, and he just laughed and said it didn't matter.

Of course, he's right, because it really doesn't. But I made sure to remember that Beggar's name for the future. I just can't stand it when people don't want to work for their gil (although begging is technically a fair amount of work, as harassing people isn't easy).

[Myaku]

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I guess people have no shame anymore. I would never beg for gil.

[Hamlet]

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I guess people have no shame anymore. I would never beg for gil.

lol, most people never had any shame. If people could've begged when the game first came out to Japanese people, they would have. Unfortunately for them, the (Spare Gil) in (Spare Gil) (Can I have it?) wasn't there. Although I guess (Gil) (Can I have it?) was there, but I don't think anyone knew how to use the tab/translate back then.

Basically, the difference is lots of people are high lvl and have gil to spare, so beggers can make a living off of it. Kind of a stupid way to play the game, though.

[Tirrock]

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The last time I gave somebody gil (because he said they needed help affording proper WAR gear, like a great axe) they took the money I gave them and bought potions, then asked me for more. When I wouldn't give him more, he started asking around in /say.

Now when somebody asks me for gil (not how to make gil, but just flat out gil) I tell them I don't hand money out. If they ask why, I just tell them that everybody starts off with the same amount of gil and it's up to them to learn what makes money best for them.

[Ziero]

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Apparently he's made over 400k now. . It may be kind of asshat-y of me but I really wanna see this guy get screwed in the end. He turned to shouting for it and a lil convo started up. I can post some more SS if you guys want.

[Matera]

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How many days has he been doing this?

I need a faster way to make gil myself.*

* - Please note the attempt at sarcasm

[Aeni]

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There's a scam that several players I know (NA Rank 10 players, but they suck as hiding their identities because they appear on my flist) are involved in. For a harmless 1,000gil donation to put up an item on the AH with promises of paying back. You'd be suprised how quickly this paltry sum adds up. People give 5,000~10,000 not knowing what these people are up to. I think in one hour in Jeuno, someone walked off with around 500K for just an hour of panhandling.

[JRLCrist]

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From Allakhazam.com:


Now, before you go off the handle, no I'm NOT suggesting you give them gil. I'm not even suggesting you give them the time of day. And if they turn out to be uninterested in working for their gil, then blist their asses and be done with it.

But before you blist them, make sure that's what they ARE. Gil making is not an obvious or easy thing in FFXI, and a lot of people start off with some seeder money someone gave them, get to level 20... and then just run out. They know they need new gear, but they can't afford it. But how do they get more? Then they see someone run past at level 60+, shiny high-level Artifact gear, expensive rings and belts (Remember, to a level 20 even a 20k item would seem expensive. A 3.5 mil bodypiece is totally unimaginable). Maybe they can help...

So if someone is shouting for money, or sends you a /tell for gil, try gently correcting them first. You MIGHT be surprised. As an example, here's my story:

I had just recently crested the 70's... I was 72 I think, and scraping up enough gil to finish up my Adaman set for level 73. Naturally, I was getting a little tired of all the gilbegging, and had a snippy reply I sent to them just before I blisted them.

As I was running around Jeuno, I got another one of these /tells. I started typing up my standard snippy reply, when I paused. I took a moment and did a check... WAR20. Something told me not to be so fast, so I sent them a reply. "Gilbegging is really frowned upon in this game." I told them. "Have you tried farming for money?"

"I don't know what that means." They replied to me. "How am I supposed to make money? Everything is so expensive!"

This was not a gilbeggar. This was a new player who had never been taught how to survive in game. They didn't have access to this site, they didn't know how the economy worked, and they were feeling very frustrated and discouraged.

So, I stopped what I was doing, and I took the time to explain things to them. I told them what farming was, what kinds of things to look for, what areas were good farming zones. I told them about levelling thief to get better drops. I told them about signet, and farming their own crystals, and doing low-level synths to improve profit like sheep leather and beeswax. I told them about crafting, and the benefit of setting aside a little gil from each farming run to fund levelling a craft (Something I regret never doing)

At first, they were discouraged. Drop rates sucked, it took too long, they didn't want to level a completely seperate job just to farm. I tried my best to encourage them, and we traded /tells for most of the night.

Two days later, I got a /tell from them. "How much gil do you have?" They asked.

At first I didn't want to tell them, because the question seemed odd in the extreme. I was worried they were going to try and go back to gilbegging, and justify it by referencing my 'deep' pockets (In truth, I'm usually pretty poor. Most of my free gil goes to gear or back into levelling my crafts). I finally told them I had about 80k on me.

"I've got 200k." They replied, and I could imagine the beaming look of pride on their face. This person had gone from nothing to, for a level 20, riches in a few days.

Goddamnit, they were better at making money than me!

I congratulated them, gave them some tips on their future jobs, and let them know they were wqell on their way to being an EXTREMELY well-equipped player. With the kind of cash-building ability they were displaying, I figured it would only be a matter of time before they were making me look threadbare and shabby.

I still occasionally get /tells from them, updating me on their progress. I've never met them in game... I don't even know what race they are, but they're on my friends list. And to know that they're doing so much better now, from me taking 15 minutes out to give them some basics is a great feeling. Much better than the momentary satisfaction of sending a pesky gilbeggar a nasty /tell and then blisting them.

So, next time you get a random /tell asking for help... try giving it. Maybe not the help they're specifically asking for... but keep in mind, they don't know WHAT to ask for. Try teaching them, and even if only 1 out of 10 actually gets any benefit from it, that's still 1 player who will learn, grow, and hopefully pass it on to someone else who needs help.

Just my $0.02.

[framerate]

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From Allakhazam.com:


Now, before you go off the handle, no I'm NOT suggesting you give them gil. I'm not even suggesting you give them the time of day. And if they turn out to be uninterested in working for their gil, then blist their asses and be done with it.

But before you blist them, make sure that's what they ARE. Gil making is not an obvious or easy thing in FFXI, and a lot of people start off with some seeder money someone gave them, get to level 20... and then just run out. They know they need new gear, but they can't afford it. But how do they get more? Then they see someone run past at level 60+, shiny high-level Artifact gear, expensive rings and belts (Remember, to a level 20 even a 20k item would seem expensive. A 3.5 mil bodypiece is totally unimaginable). Maybe they can help...

So if someone is shouting for money, or sends you a /tell for gil, try gently correcting them first. You MIGHT be surprised. As an example, here's my story:

I had just recently crested the 70's... I was 72 I think, and scraping up enough gil to finish up my Adaman set for level 73. Naturally, I was getting a little tired of all the gilbegging, and had a snippy reply I sent to them just before I blisted them.

As I was running around Jeuno, I got another one of these /tells. I started typing up my standard snippy reply, when I paused. I took a moment and did a check... WAR20. Something told me not to be so fast, so I sent them a reply. "Gilbegging is really frowned upon in this game." I told them. "Have you tried farming for money?"

"I don't know what that means." They replied to me. "How am I supposed to make money? Everything is so expensive!"

This was not a gilbeggar. This was a new player who had never been taught how to survive in game. They didn't have access to this site, they didn't know how the economy worked, and they were feeling very frustrated and discouraged.

So, I stopped what I was doing, and I took the time to explain things to them. I told them what farming was, what kinds of things to look for, what areas were good farming zones. I told them about levelling thief to get better drops. I told them about signet, and farming their own crystals, and doing low-level synths to improve profit like sheep leather and beeswax. I told them about crafting, and the benefit of setting aside a little gil from each farming run to fund levelling a craft (Something I regret never doing)

At first, they were discouraged. Drop rates sucked, it took too long, they didn't want to level a completely seperate job just to farm. I tried my best to encourage them, and we traded /tells for most of the night.

Two days later, I got a /tell from them. "How much gil do you have?" They asked.

At first I didn't want to tell them, because the question seemed odd in the extreme. I was worried they were going to try and go back to gilbegging, and justify it by referencing my 'deep' pockets (In truth, I'm usually pretty poor. Most of my free gil goes to gear or back into levelling my crafts). I finally told them I had about 80k on me.

"I've got 200k." They replied, and I could imagine the beaming look of pride on their face. This person had gone from nothing to, for a level 20, riches in a few days.

Goddamnit, they were better at making money than me!

I congratulated them, gave them some tips on their future jobs, and let them know they were wqell on their way to being an EXTREMELY well-equipped player. With the kind of cash-building ability they were displaying, I figured it would only be a matter of time before they were making me look threadbare and shabby.

I still occasionally get /tells from them, updating me on their progress. I've never met them in game... I don't even know what race they are, but they're on my friends list. And to know that they're doing so much better now, from me taking 15 minutes out to give them some basics is a great feeling. Much better than the momentary satisfaction of sending a pesky gilbeggar a nasty /tell and then blisting them.

So, next time you get a random /tell asking for help... try giving it. Maybe not the help they're specifically asking for... but keep in mind, they don't know WHAT to ask for. Try teaching them, and even if only 1 out of 10 actually gets any benefit from it, that's still 1 player who will learn, grow, and hopefully pass it on to someone else who needs help.

Just my $0.02.

Well said. I've done the same thing.

[Irisjir Callard]

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This topic reminds me of a pratical joke I like to play one some of my friendslist, or I did before I got my main and mule accounts in the same linkshell.

I leveled up my mule a bit and gave him some random equipment so he didn't LOOK like a mule, and then I sent down my friendslist saying "u got n e gil 2 spare?" to see the reactions.

One person (male, plays a mithra, has a brother that playes a hume male) was even in the right city so I ran and /poke'd him and a few other random emotes. The brother knew who I was, but this poor guy refused to believe him and kept threatening to blacklist me for harassing him. Quite a hilarious conversation resulted in /say.

And before you beat me over the head with a rolled-up newspaper, I got the idea from a different friend of mine...so blame him.

[Ryddr]

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I never hand out gil. Best case scenario for someone who needs help? I may buy them a few pieces of armor for their level, but nothing beyond level 25. I only give gil to people I trust i.e. people on my flist or my LSmates. Anyone else is gonna have to take items or equipment, and if they wanna sell it and turn it into gil? So be it. It cost me less than 10k most likely and this action seldomn occurs.

[Ziero]

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*insert big long post that doesn't need to be quoted again but is still being referenced here*

You're right. Absolutely 100% right. And I do this and things like this all the time. Back when I was a lowly lvl 25 I ran across a lvl 1 newb who randomly asked me for help. I spent the next 30 minutes showing him around Sandy, helping him on some low lvl quests, telling him what's best to use for what job and even bought him some cheap low lvl armor. This guy is now a lvl 70+ Nin and has been a close friend of mine ever since. Another time a random person asked me for help and I spent a good hour helping him out, teaching him about spells and macros and how to fight and all that. And to top it off this guy was german so his english wasn't even that great but I was still able to help him by using small simple words, heck I even taught him some new ones.

There is nothing wrong with helping newbs. I encourage more people to do so and do so freely. This game can be very overwhelming when you first start out and someone to give you some good advice and a friendly smile can make things seem a whole lot less intimidating.

Having said that, this guy didn't want help he wanted hand outs. He was scamming innocent people who thought they were helping out of gil and showed no signs of stopping. I'm sure he's still at it and will continue to do so until everyone knows his name and realizes what he's doing. Had he asked for advice on how to farm or good ways to make gil I would have gladly done everything I could to teach him. But not only was he not interested in making his own gil, he actually told me that I should beg too because it was so easy to do.

I'm all for helping people, but only when they make an effort to help themselves as well.

[Ellipses]

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A couple months ago, I was leveling BLU a bit in S. Gustaberg. Some random lowbie ran up to me and offered me a trade. He put some piece of low-level body armor in it, then canceled the trade before I had a chance to do anything.

Me: ???
Him: I need money
Me: Kill stuff and sell what it drops
Him: I just rip people off
Me: Good luck with that

That's the closest anyone's ever come to begging me for gil. I guess I don't look rich enough when I'm slumming it up. That or I don't hang out in San d'Oria enough.

[Amiraphe]

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I'm not opposed to helping new people, we were all new at one point and going along blindly at how to make any gil at all. I like to give advice very much. But really, there is an absolute onslaught now of people who beg for gil, all levels, all ranks, and get quite pissy when you won't hand it to them.
Anyone notice it's happening more now than ever before? It seems as I stand at the AH I get at least 2 /tells, like a universal sales pitch: "I'm sorry. I don't do this often, but can you give me 400k? You're richga..."

I'm not richga--I workga! I went without that uber item until I earned it. I've played for over 2 years to earn what I wanted. But now when I want to AH shop, I have to unequip everything in order to be left alone.