Common Used Phrases Ingame (Japanese Translation)

[bside]

Originally posted by LawDawg
It is used when writing in katakana, however, it is "cute" (i suppose?) to use in when writing in hiragana

in the very formal writting of Japanese, "ー" isn't used w/ Hiragana, and maybe that's what u were "told." but when it comes to the informal writting, it's not "appropriate" to say that. it's not because the Japanese grammar says no, but it's simply because there isn't a "formal" word in Hiragana (original Japanese word may be a better explanation) that uses it. words in Katakana r foreign to Japanese language, and in most cases they r just "sounded out." that's why Katakana words r allowed to use "ー" even in formal writting, such as "ニューヨーク" for New York.

just like u mentioned, it indeed symbolizes a long vowel sound, and that's the sole purpose served by it. whenever it carries such a sound, whether Hiragana or Katakana, we just use it, such as "�ー�" or "���ー" as response. r they formally adapted? obviously not. but we use those very often in our normal lives.

it simply reflects the way we talk. even in English, we'd write things like "wusup" and "heeeeeeeeeeeeeey" and we know we don't use them in our papers. but do we use them in the informal part of our lives? obviously we do.

[LawDawg]

hm makes sense. But as a followup question, I can understand the use of the - in phrases such as "ha--i" which don't normally contain a long vowel sound, but a long vowel sound is added for effect. In the example given earlier "arigatou", the long vowel sound is present, however, it is replaced by -, i.e. "arigato-". Is this just for the "kawai" factor?

[Theiry]

Originally posted by LawDawg


Secondly, my question is, why are japanese players writing japanese to you if they KNOW you can't understsand it? This is my point exactly. If you give them some impression that you can understand japanese, well then you better be able to understand it. Its not a racial issue, its a respect issue. That said, most JPs that I've partied with who don't know that I know japanese, will never use kana when talking to me, but rather roumanji or just plain english. So the bottom line, don't give the impression you can speak japanese unless you really can... the translator is sufficient to ask someone to join your PT, and is MINIMALLY sufficient to make a PT work.

Well, in my case, they don't know I can't speak Japanese. I have yet to party with a Japanese player (in fact, I've only partied with 5 other people, not counting my brother), but I have saved them / helped them quite often. So when I see someone say �り��ー　to me, it's because I just helped them in some way (neither of us having seen/played with the other before). So I can either /bow, say douitashimashite (or ieie), or just walk away. Personally I'd rather say "you're welcome" in a way that they can understand, instead of just leaving or bowing.

I don't think it's too much of a problem to use Romaji to reply in this case, even if they do think I can speak Japanese, I can always give off an (|I don't speak any Japanese|) if they say something I don't understand. I said something to some random person once, and they replied, then I said something else and got a (|I don't speak any English|) in reply. I didn't have a problem with that, I just /bow'ed (or something) and left. I thought it was cool that they knew enough English to read and reply to my first sentence, and I didn't think it was rude or anything that they couldn't reply after that. But I do think people probably shouldn't use any Kana/Kanji if they can't read/write Japanese really well. Since you can't type Kana in the U.S. version of the game, using Kana (especially if you do so to get into, or right after getting into a party) will make them think you can speak Japanese.

Anyway, thanks for the info bside =) I knew it was the same thing, just written differently, but it's nice to know all the facts behind it.

[Stanislav]

To LawDawg..

My JP friend gave me how to say "Would you like to party?

And JP seem much nicer when u actually ask them in JP and so far they all answered yes and the ones that wrote out more.. I just said I can only understand a little and they just replied in english or a translator.

I dunno but this is a great way to invite people.. If you havn't noticed one thing in life people usualy seem happier and nice when spoken to them in their native language.. If I find someone to speak in russian with besides my relatives it is always a fun experience.

[bside]

Originally posted by LawDawg
hm makes sense. But as a followup question, I can understand the use of the - in phrases such as "ha--i" which don't normally contain a long vowel sound, but a long vowel sound is added for effect. In the example given earlier "arigatou", the long vowel sound is present, however, it is replaced by -, i.e. "arigato-". Is this just for the "kawai" factor?

sometimes it's indeed done to include such a factor, but it really depends on how it's used.

in the example of "arigato-," it's rather omitting "u" part because that sound is either minimal or even cut out when we talk informally. in addition, the "o" sound is a little longer than others, and that makes "arigatoo" rather correct way to put this in Romaji. w/ that said, "arigato-" is simply reflecting the way we actually pronounce it, like i said above.

it's hard to distinguish what purpose it's serving, but i think i can say this; when used to reflect the way we actually talk, it's simply used as an informal way of writting. when "unnecessarily" used, it's serving the abnormal purpose which includes the "kawaii" factor, if i could borrow ur word.

[Taodyn]

This is not about pretending to know Japanese, but rather putting a good foot forward. Many JP players at least appreciate someone making an attempt.

[WobbleSiren]

I've noticed a large amount of players using the JP client across many different servers that don't speak a lick of Japanese other then, maybe the ability of a 2 yr old.

I've also ran across a lot of people who use kana in macros who also don't speak a lick of Japanese.

Whats really bad is when I get a tell in Japanese, and I reply in Japanese, i find that the following tell is in English, and they have no idea what i just wrote back because they used a set macro with kana to tell me. They simply send a tell to me in Japanese for example asking if I want to party.

And when I decline or say i'm busy, or even more complicated so, that after 30 min or after i finish the stack of X i'm farming, they have no idea what i'm saying, simply because they were expecting a yes or no or Ok^^.

I think its wonderful that people are trying to bridge the gap between the language barriers. Most of the players I've pt'd with in the upper levels that only want to Pt with J players is purely for convience of language and commradery (sp). [you can't joke with someone if they can't understand what you're saying]

I just wish that posers that "wanna be jp" or "wanna pose like they're jp" just need to stop. I think its rude and extremely deceitful.

If you said a /t in Japanese to a Japanese player that has (JP only, or Japanese speak only etc in profile) asking to party, without a following /t that explains you cannot speak a lick of Japanese, THAT is deceitful and is only hurting the community of players.