Darwin award goes too. . . .

[RogueWolf]

WHy u people still arguin. Wats done is done. the moron Stole the harness and i couldn't agree more with what Fockr said "These gil sellers just play more than we do and if they get claim on HNM, well they deserve it. " I hate them as much as the next person but if u want to beat them, beat them at their own game. the fact that u post pics of u jakin a scorp. harness only makes u look retarded. i bet u prolly sold that same harness at the SAME price they sell it. and if u gave it to a friend that he will eventually sell it at the same price or even more. Only way to stop the fluctuation of the prices in any server is for people to Actually go farm wat is expensive and sell it at lower prices, and i havent anyone seen that yet.

-Rogue.

[Ivadell]

/sigh, you people are idiot's. ok so this post will die. It makes no difference to me what so ever if you find that there is no proof of it being signed, or no proof of him actually stealing the harness. I don't care. simple point is this RMT was dumb enough to give his harness to a person he knows does not like him. In that point right there, anyone even if you are not a RMT deserves to have their stuff taken. Also you can try and discredit it all you want, thats fine, if you don't then conversations on these forums would be very one sided.

Oh and Macht your post on the 3rd page at the bottom, you know the one about having people man areas. Are you really that narrow minded, once more I'll say it again. GET TO LEVEL 75, AND EXPERIENCE END GAME SHIT. it's hard to get people gathered for a simple god hunt you seriously expect people to do all of what you said, maybe yea it would help, but the reality of that happening is like a govt. realizing that War is really doing more damage than good. Not enough people give a shit about RMT, hell I don't even, but the many that do care decide to take matters into their own hands. Good for them. I say keep it up, and if you need a hand send me a tell. This game is a perfect little version of how a country acts, Rich get Richer, and the poor stay poor, everyone has a bitch about wrong doings , yet no one can figure out how to solve the problem that will actually work. pretty much the US in a nutshell.

[Necro923]

What good is it going to do if you steal an item from 1 person? The rest of the world is not going to know about it, its not worth it..

[ClydeArrowny]

I'm not gonna attack or defend the OP, just gonna state something that the lower lv poeople may not know.

Now with HNMs, they pop once every 21-24 hours, some take longer to pop. You also usually have 3-8 other LSs to compete against which makes it hard to claim. Also, if you are an LS who doesnt bot, its even harder to claim. So lets say you have a 10% chance to claim it. Ok so now youve gotten lucky enough to claim it. Do the gil sellers leave you alone? No. They attempt to MPK; and as soon as the NM goes yellow, they steal it.

Now, just dont let it go yellow some may say. So, lets use Capricious Cassie as an example. He has a move called "Sweet Breath" while makes everyone who is close enough to see him fall asleep. If everyone in the ally is sleeping, Cassie will turn yellow. Now this is easy enough to counter...just eat poison potions. But guess what? gil sellers will poisona you as soon as you use one ^-^ use a stack and they poisona each one and youre out 32k gil ^^ They just keep casting poisona on you till it uses sweet breath, then claim it themselves. Keep someone out of range of sweet breath? Thats all fine and dandy...except it has such a large range you would have to run a hella long time and wouldnt make it in time to wake people. 99% of the time gil sellers will claim it before you have a chance to. So, they basically will steal it from you every and any time you camp it unless youre incredibly lucky, yet stealing it back is wrong? So, basically that means you have to let them have that HNM, which drops 2 items nothing else drops, Cassie Earring and Amity Cape. So, were forced to buy Cassie earrings and amity capes from only gil sellers for 6mil(CE) and 12 mil(AC) just because they always steal it? That or camp it with a 10% chance of winning claim and if you win claim 5% chance youll have the chance to kill it thanks to the gil sellers(.5% chance e.g. 1/200 chance[btw thats 1 kill every 200 days if you camp it every day])? IMHO thats just BS.

Simurgh? practically the same thing only his boots are 14-20 mil and his horde lullaby isnt quite as bad as CC's breath, so lower chance of it going white and higher chance of killing once youve claimed.

Its one thing if they beat you to a claim honestly...its another when they steal an HNM from you every chance they get.

[DakAttack]

Originally posted by Xyphere
Thank you...

"Caught wind" means by word of mouth. There's no picture proving it was signed, or that even he recieved the harness. Way to be an ass Xyphere.

[Caspian]

Idea: Though it would require some intervention on SE's part. I'm sure they know the spawn times of the HNM's, so couldnt they theoretically just send a GM to the spawn point for the duration of the battle and keep an eye out for mpk'ing and mob stealing. Surely they have some sort of power to get rid of mobs. Then they could just suspend the offending players and let the winning ls go on there merry way. Granted, I do realize that would require SE to put some effort into this, but surely enough letters and emails would get them off their asses and solve problems they know exist while actually putting forth very little effort.

[ClydeArrowny]

When you call a GM about it they tell you to /t every gill seller and /sh and /s as well telling them you dont need "help" from their poisona. Yeah effective.

[Caspian]

Originally posted by ClydeArrowny
When you call a GM about it they tell you to /t every gill seller and /sh and /s as well telling them you dont need "help" from their poisona. Yeah effective.

Lol, on that yer kinda outta luck unless SE ever decides to give the GM's a little more power. But if whatI was talking about ever went into effect, shouldnt that help stop getting mpk'd while fighting a hnm or something?

[Fire]

Guys, just give up on trying to explain things to the Lowbies. They won't care untill it effects them.

All you lowbies should go back to buying gil so I can sell my shit on AH for more.

[Fockr]

lol Fira..
Alright just drop it. No one likes these guys but like some poeple already mentioned, doing it to one person isn't gonna do shit but show how low you are. Oh and btw.. It isn't hard to organize God fights at all, infact, that shit gets boring from doing it so much. Just be a little quicker next time and then maybe you won't get your triggers jacked.
And no matter how real it seems, this shit is just a game so don't take these fucking forums so god damn seriously lol......... <.<;
rawr!

[little ninja]

Originally posted by Prince Caspian
Idea: Though it would require some intervention on SE's part. I'm sure they know the spawn times of the HNM's, so couldnt they theoretically just send a GM to the spawn point for the duration of the battle and keep an eye out for mpk'ing and mob stealing. Surely they have some sort of power to get rid of mobs. Then they could just suspend the offending players and let the winning ls go on there merry way. Granted, I do realize that would require SE to put some effort into this, but surely enough letters and emails would get them off their asses and solve problems they know exist while actually putting forth very little effort.

i wouldnt doubt it if they have watched 1000+ fraped movies, seen 1 billion pictures of it going on. they still dont do anything. an even s.e claiming it would not allow a monopoly of hnms, should actually act apon it..

lol "work around it". yeah man its no problem. so we claimed an hnm. got mpk'ed,wasted 3+ hours of our lives, lost exp, an 20mil+ in drops.. no biggie

fackin stupid.

[bah]

Something similar happened on my server. One of the more famous RMT on our server was trying to find a Cassie earring. So a pld offered to sell one to him for 4 mil and a Durandal. RMT agreed so they traded, RMT put up his stuff, the pld put up a Bone Earring, RMT accepted. I think the RMT shouted in Jeuno for like 2 weeks that the pld was a "swindlr lier". Needless to say the pld is my hero.

[yuukei]

Point 1. Macht provided you with a solution to a problem that could actually work. There's nothing narrowminded about his plan. It's a good and logical one, pure and simple. The fact of the matter is, and the fact that I've been trying to drill into you people's heads is, despite all of your complaining about gilsellers, no one cares enough about the server to do anything about it. None of you, not one of you cares about the health of the server's economy. You only care when it affects you personally. That guy only cared about the reputation of the LS. He doesn't care about the community. None of you do. If people cared they would work together on a wide scale to do something about it. But this is just a game. It doesn't matter enough to you. So it's a waste of time coming up with any solutions to the problem, because none of you could care less.

You complain and complain and complain. And when someone comes up with an idea that could help, you rag on him because it involves work. Not only that but you (Ivadell) were already ready to blast his idea from the start. You knew you were. Because you knew it'd involve some work. And you don't have enough faith in the FFXI community to want to do that kind of work. And you're absolutely right. It's not Macht who's narrowminded for coming up with that idea. If anything he tried to keep an open mind and tried to place the determination and will to fight of the community higher than it is. He tried to allow you guys to show that you do care enough to do something. If anything those who think that the NA doesn't have it in them to do it are the ones being narrowminded. But you know what? You're still right. The fact is that high level people just don't care enough to do anything about it. They just don't. Either that or they're lazy. It's one or the other. Whichever one you choose doesn't matter. We're still all defeating ourselves.

Point 2. Don't bring something as stupid and as asanine as lowbie vs high level into this. That has nothing to do with this. You don't have to be a high level to understand what happened between that gillseller and the OP. You don't have to be a high level to have a moral opinion about this and that was what this was mostly about before. Morality. And a person's idea of morality has nothing to do with his knowledge of high end content.

And the fact that high levels can't get together is also indicitive of the fact that no one cares. You guys are a bunch of hypocrites. Just because he's lower level than you he doesn't know anything? At least he's making an effort, rather than throwing in some offhanded comment about how lowbies shouldn't talk. You don't have to be a high level to understand how gilsellers and HNMs and crap works. You guys come in here and bitch about it enough that even someone with a 3rd grade reading level could figure it out. Don't try to pretend that being level 75 gives you some kind of otherworldly knowledge about the innerworkings of the game. If you really believe that, well then you're deluded too. There's already too much knowledge and information spread out over the net to say that anymore. You've all shared your experiences with everyone here. And even though not everyone has personally experienced what you have, some of them already know what's going on because you shared that information with them. Don't explain how things work to someone and then accuse them of not knowing a thing about it. High levels themselves already gave the lower people everything they need to know about what's going on at level 75. They don't need you holding their hands forever, and you're certainly not better than them in any way, shape, or form.

Especially if you can't find a way to band yourselves together to fight off gilsellers. Gilsellers who are lower level than you have already banded together and are defeating you and inconveniencing you at every turn. No matter what you say, if you guys can't work together, there's no way you're going to win this. Gilsellers will always be a step ahead of you. Pissing off one of them won't do anything and it's ridiculous to think that it will. If you don't want to work together or if you just CAN'T because of your OWN shortcomings and lack of community, then I guess you can wait for SE to save your asses. Good luck with that.

You're right about one thing. The NA community is just as typical and predictable as always.

[Nodachi]

I have no respect for those who show sympathy for gilsellers. To me if they show sympathy for them, they are most likely gil buyers or trash themselves. I say props to ripping these fucktards off.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by yuukei
The fact of the matter is, and the fact that I've been trying to drill into you people's heads is, despite all of your complaining about gilsellers, no one cares enough about the server to do anything about it. None of you, not one of you cares about the health of the server's economy. You only care when it affects you personally.

How dare you make such a generalization. And who are you to do so?