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**SlizenDize** · 03-17-2005, 02:35 PM

Will they still be mimics if you use tools to open?

**Kyrial Arthian** · 03-17-2005, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by SlizenDize
Will they still be mimics if you use tools to open?

Yes, they can. I only use Thief's Tools, and I have gotten a Mimic once. I usually am successful, even if it takes a couple tools sometimes. But people overestimate just how much can be made from coffers. Certainly no more than you can make farming any other way.

In fact, depending on where/what you farm, there are a lot better options nowadays than picking coffers.

**little ninja** · 03-18-2005, 01:53 AM

yeah right, back in the day castle oz was the thfs hang out. an all my thf friends managed to pick the locks on all there coffers. with very few mimics.

sure beats waiting for countless hours to go looking for a key only to never see one drop, or get out looted.

i will show you thfs no pitty, you do have it easy. thf/war in the 60's can out pull anyone. plus you guys have a better drop rate %, or you can sub nin an have an easier time using utes, hell you thfs can use bloodbolts, an cure yourself with little to absolutely no downtime.. so spare me this were so poor crap.

try ninja full time. an whats worse is that its gets more expensive with dynamis, hnms, gods. exping. an helping out random ls mates. thf is in the lower end of being an expensive geared job.

**crowly** · 03-18-2005, 11:35 AM

Ya, because scorp harness and flora cote are so much cheaper than haubergeon XD(just 2 body pieces needed by 60 imo)

Not to mention the fact that we don't get invited to BCNM's >.>;

But damn I was having some good luck til then XD picked eldieme coffer for my pld af, then monastic cavern for thf af, even got a few nest coffers...then it decided to bite >.>;

**SlizenDize** · 03-18-2005, 05:47 PM

I think thieves always steal gold beastcoins of all mobs >>
I mean they gotta get rich of that.

**Lahfiel** · 03-18-2005, 06:03 PM

You need to be high enough to kill them, no more coins after successful steal.

**little ninja** · 03-18-2005, 10:39 PM

last time i saw, those bad boys where 20k a steal. so even if you can only steal 3 or 4, thats still 60-80k for 15-20 mins work. plus the ability to use t.h2 will increase your drops more then it would for me..

why is a scorpion harness useful to a thf? especially in an exp pt. its not like your tanking the mob like the ninja is. an most thf sub nin, so you have utes taking the hits. an i know the haub is a sweet peice of armor an its stats greatly improve the damage output of the melee.

im still curious how you picked the lock for your pld af with your thf. because coffers are job only openings. so if you dont open it with your pld, all you will find in there is money. or items? as i always thought an was toldsub thf doesnt allow you to pick a lock..
:confused:

**Kyrial Arthian** · 03-19-2005, 05:57 AM

First off, gold beastcoins are very hard to steal, even with full AF with all its Steal+. And if the mob is not sight aggro with no scent pursuit, then you're pretty much screwed unless you can kill it (which means you'd have to be pretty damn high-level). And if you can't kill it, you better hope someone else does, because once you've stolen one from it, you can't get another one from it until it dies and respawns.

And the coins are 10k/piece on Quetz, though they are 160k/stack.

Second, Scorpion Harness is needed by THFs in XP PTs for the Accuracy, not the evasion. Dancing Edge is a 5-hit WS, and if only 1 or 2 of those hits connect, your damage isn't gonna be that great. Not to mention we need to build TP as quick as possible. The evasion just helps immensely when soloing.

Yes, we can solo quite well in the higher levels. And yes, we have TH2. But until you've used Treasure Hunter II, I suggest you not comment on it. It can help immensely at times, but most of the time I find myself wondering wtf it even does, because my drop rates actually seem WORSE with some stuff than those without even TH1.

As for AF coffers: I'm fairly sure you can open your AF coffers as another job, so long as there is not something in that coffer for the job you're using to open it.

As for picking coffers for money: you don't see people doing it anymore, do you? Because Astral Rings were the only big-money item in coffers before. And now they are not in there, they are BCNM drops.

So quit with the "oh, THFs have it easy they are all rich and don't need anywhere near as much gil as us" bullshit. Yeah, NIN and RNG are expensive jobs and we don't need as much as gil as them. No one does, those are the 2 most expensive jobs in the game. But we still need a crapload of money, and we're not the gods of making money that everyone seems to think we are.

**kowboy** · 03-19-2005, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by Kyrial Arthian

As for AF coffers: I'm fairly sure you can open your AF coffers as another job, so long as there is not something in that coffer for the job you're using to open it.

The only AF related coffers you can open as another job is the one in which you recieve Key Item: Old Gauntlets. Which is what Crowly did.

The contents of a coffer are decided 1) The current job you are questing for Guslam (Borghertz xxxx Hands). 2) Your job. (excludes old gauntlets, see above). If you accepted Guslam's quest for Ninja and open a Ninja coffer (such as Boyahda) as Thief, you will recieve map/gil/etc. The only thing that supercedes those 2 parameters is a coffer in which an AF3 key item is found. Say you are on NIN AF3 (already killed NMs), which requires a key item from Kuftal coffer. You currently have Guslam's quest for Samurai and open a Kuftal coffer as Samurai, you will recieve Key Item for Ninja AF3.

I have spent alot of time redoing coffer keys and such because of how many jobs I've tried to get coffers for and skipping some pieces and later trying to get those pieces. I pretty much have it all narrowed down to a science now.

**little ninja** · 03-19-2005, 11:31 PM

i asked my thf ls mate if hed go try an see how many gold coins he could get. he managed 5 in 50 mins. not bad if you ask me. depending on your server. thats 50k - 100k. an even at 60 wen we used to duo farm. hed sneak atk with dancing edge i believe it was. an did close to 1k damage every time. while i was doing a cool 250 with blade retsu.

an seeing as im a 70 ninja. i have never pted with a thf who wore a scorpion harness. an they did there job very well. pullin with status effect ranged weapons. tricking onto me then moving so i new when to voke. knowing what there weapon skilled with what. thats what makes them a great thf. not a 6 mil body armor. hell you miss you miss. your gonna miss regardless if you have a harness or not. so take you own advice. since you dont own one, dont comment on how much better you will be with it. cause you dont know..

your right i can not comment on t.h2. but its not like i havent seen the proof that drop rates are better with it, then they are without it. there was a post just written about it. i can comment on t.h1, an how my drop rates are slightly better. yeah some days it utter crap. but then again some days im in love with it..

**Elsurion** · 03-20-2005, 11:18 PM

One thing i noticed about TH1 and TH2 is actual the moonphase (yea, stone me NOW) and the amount farmed in the zone.

I'm getting more and better drops at Full Moon and New Moon, crappy drops in the inbetweener (around 40 ~ 50% Moonphase)

As for RNG being an expensive job, it don't have to be. Just skill craftings. I make my own ammo, saving up to 15k/stack (silver), depending on ammo. But you have to spend up to 500k for all crafts needed to raise, if you buy everything.

Nin is the same way, but as far i know you don't need 60 Crafts for the most tools. I don't craft NIN Tools at the moment.

**little ninja** · 03-20-2005, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Elsurion
One thing i noticed about TH1 and TH2 is actual the moonphase (yea, stone me NOW) and the amount farmed in the zone.

I'm getting more and better drops at Full Moon and New Moon, crappy drops in the inbetweener (around 40 ~ 50% Moonphase)

As for RNG being an expensive job, it don't have to be. Just skill craftings. I make my own ammo, saving up to 15k/stack (silver), depending on ammo. But you have to spend up to 500k for all crafts needed to raise, if you buy everything.

Nin is the same way, but as far i know you don't need 60 Crafts for the most tools. I don't craft NIN Tools at the moment.

i actually agree with you moonphase places a big part in what is actually dropped. on some days i get way more of a certain drop, then i do on other days.

an actually a ninja needs to have most crafts at 60 for most of our spells. alch,woods,clothes,goldsmithing. all have ninja tools, an because some require a second craft, you have to lvl foods, smithing, but if you can do so. you in the end save loads of gil.

**Elsurion** · 03-20-2005, 11:52 PM

if you seriously taking rng or nin further then 40 then you'll better start crafting, since you'll need lots of stuf to reach higher levels.
And making up to 70% of the holy bolts HQ is really nice

**Cremonte** · 03-21-2005, 10:23 AM

meh. i know coffer picking isn't the end all best way to make money for thieves but still... i mean, someone on my ls decided to spend a little bit in fei'yin... the next day he had half a dozen life belts, going for 70-80k each. he would find + pick chest, log and watch tv then repeat in a half hour <_<;

all this while, i was camping a nm (from what i've done, the best way for me to make money at the moment) only to have pol dc when he popped... someone else got claim and the drop /sigh

not to mention said person was a thf :-"

but yeah. thieves do have it pretty easy making money... if you see a coffer you can pick it, even if you aren't hunting - same with a chest or whatever. as far as stealing coins goes? my first bibiki party ever, the thf had 12+11 gold coins at the end of it.

/wishes he had a thf ;_;

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