Need advice in how to split gil/bank in an HNM LS.

[littlesushi]

One thing first tho. Try to restrain from flaming ._. I know it's fun and tempting but please, don't.

I need help on how to properly split gil or items dropped from HNMs. The few experiences I've had with HNM hunting have been really limited, so I really have no knowledge of how and what would be fair to people.

Lets take this for example:

We kill Serket (everyones favorite HNM XD), and he gives us a ring. All the White Mages and Red Mages are going to all over the ring, but what about the others? What about the Melee and BLMs that really have no use for the ring? Is it fair for them that they get nothing? I understand that the point of the LS is to get everyon decked out with the pimpest gear and try to have a good time at the same time, but really, who are trying to kid? People are not going to want to camp stuff just for others, that's just how people are. People will want something in return. We obviously cant do a /sea all 71-75 and go camp gods, so we're going to have to start with the easy stuf. That leads to limited items.

So what should be done? Untill we can establish a fair ground with the LS, we're going to have to give out gil and whatnot to others. That's where i'm stumped.

I had something like this in mind :

-Serket Ring 1 drops-
Sell and split it with the according members.

-Serket Ring 2 drops-
Give it to Mage A.

-Serket Ring 3 drops-
Put it in some sort of LS bank.

Repeat, repeat, repeat.

That seems *somewhat* fair. But something seems wrong with that. What if group A from the LS camps Serket, owns him, and he gives up nothing. Then Group B camps him, destroys him, and he gives up a ring and other goodies. What happends then? Grr, stumped again.

Another thing. What should be an order of priority? Who should get the rings first?

White Mages? Red Mages? Bards? First join, first get? What if the ring is designated from one person, but he cant make it that day? So many questions...grr.

I chose to put this on the Rag forums cause well, it's full of people I know. If something is said here I can easily /tell them in game or something, please dont move it.

I'm really hoping people in HNM LS' post here, but anyone can reply. Any help is appreciated, and I already thank you for just reading my post

[bunta]

Are you in the same LS on Ragnarok that brought 18 people to kill Serket? If so, get to Lv.75 and farm sky gods so everyone will be happy.

[PetriW]

Nothing like a good zergling rush and their drama.

Serisously, a HNM LS where people expect to gain something from EVERY encounter is bound to fail. A HNM LS doesn't camp Serket 24/7, the questions you asked should be mostly irrelevant to a decent HNM LS. Rather, it's the question a greedy little kid would ask.

As for what job to get first? Shouldn't that be based more on merit rather than on what job you picked. Job plays a role of course but if someone can attend a single serket run and still get the ring because he's whm then suddenly you'll have problems keeping members.

If you take this as a flame be that as it might.



BIG HINT: A LS that can only camp Serket and thus have issues with how to split the loot is not a HNM LS.

[Faranim]

People are not going to want to camp stuff just for others, that's just how people are. People will want something in return.

You have the wrong people in your HNMLS.

This is how it should work:

A. Determine how every single Rare item is to ba handeled. Set aside specific items that are collected to a Linkshell Fund (Our Linkshell uses Venemous Claw). Set lotting priority for all the other items.

In the cast of Serket, you should make it "Mage Free Lot" so all WHM RDM BLM BRD SMN get to lot on a ring if they are present when it drops.

Gather the other items (potions, etc) and give them to the remaining members based on /random.

Yes, in this scenario, only 2-4 people will get an item. However, the more your members defeat HNMs, eventually everybody will get something.

[Zempten]

Another type of approach is by using DKP. DKP is basically Dragon Kill Points where you assign every member a certain amount of points based on thier attendance in the LS activites, by using these points you can do a sort of auction. This would be an example

Member 1 has 40 DKP
Member 2 has 35 DKP
Member 3 has 10 DKP

Serket's Ring drops

Leader : /ls Auction on Serkest's Rings begins now
Member 3: 10
Member 2: 12
Member 1: 15
Member 2: 20
Member 1: 25
Member 2: 35

Hence member 2 get's the Serkest Rings. This insures that everyone that can have a fair chance of getting it and also it can be a way to make more people attend your events rather then having to pull tons of strings to get people together. It also makes people more cautious to spend their DKP because they might be saving it for another type of item that is highly wanted and cannot be dropped, a certain sword comes to my mind as in Joyasus (sp?)

If your members are not willing to sacrifice some of their time to make their LS as a whole stronger, then sooner or later your LS will fall. Greed kills and everyone in your LS should understand that if you even want a chance at endgame you need to have your members in the best gear they can get.

Sure I am not 75 right now, but this type of concept holds true for all MMORPGs and I've expereicned endgame in others enough to comment on this

[littlesushi]

Are you in the same LS on Ragnarok that brought 18 people to kill Serket? If so, get to Lv.75 and farm sky gods so everyone will be happy.

Was, correct. I'm suprised people in other servers have heard of the wreck that the LS was, but, people still did have fun.

When I first joined the "HNM" LS, I didn't know what a pushover Serket was, I didn't know a 75thf could solo Behemoth, I didn't know a 71BST could rip thru bloodtear like he was a tiny mandragora. I thought, HNM, and thought what everyone thought at first "omgwtfbbq". But yea, I was in that LS, the few times the LS was succesfull, it was fun.

And yea, on Ragnarok, it's best bring lots of people, since it's not hard to kill him, it's just hard to claim him

If your members are not willing to sacrifice some of their time to make their LS as a whole stronger, then sooner or later your LS will fall. Greed kills and everyone in your LS should understand that if you even want a chance at endgame you need to have your members in the best gear they can get.

Sadly, on Ragnarok you can't expect people to be like that. People will want things, and the jealousy will kill em if they dont get anytihng else. That's why I was thinking about the splitting of gil at first.

I like your point system btw, makes lots of sense.

//edit - Serket was just an example, since everyone wubs him. He's not the only HNM we'll camp.. ._.

[PetriW]

Originally posted by littlesushi
Sadly, on Ragnarok you can't expect people to be like that. People will want things, and the jealousy will kill em if they dont get anytihng else. That's why I was thinking about the splitting of gil at first.

Then tell those people to grow up or create their own HNM LS that will break in a couple weeks.
Seriously, if you're making a HNM LS try making it with the intention of it being teh PWN, not because you can't get invited into a good one. Set up goals, set up minimum requirements (like gear, level and IQ/EQ) and set up rules people have to follow.

And there are LOTS of really nice people on Ragnarok, you just haven't met them it seems.
*hugs the SP crew*

[littlesushi]

Then tell those people to grow up or create their own HNM LS that will break in a couple weeks. Seriously, if you're making a HNM LS try making it with the intention of it being teh PWN, not because you can't get invited into a good one. Set up goals, set up minimum requirements (like gear, level and IQ/EQ) and set up rules people have to follow.

And there are LOTS of really nice people on Ragnarok, you just haven't met them it seems. *hugs the SP crew*

/sigh

Thanks for your reply, sorta. People are going to want stuff for going to hunts, there's no doubt about that. You can't just say from your experience from your LS and imagine that's how everyone else is. PowerIncarnate had alot of members from SoulPirates, and you know how that went.

There's a diffrence between going for Coffer Keys, and handling drops that are in the millions. Not an insult to your LS btw.

[Pillow]

Originally posted by littlesushi
People are going to want stuff for going to hunts, there's no doubt about that.

As said, you got the wrong people. They should want stuff for the LS, which of course in the long run (or hey maybe even the short run), will be in their favour.

Originally posted by littlesushi
You can't just say from your experience from your LS and imagine that's how everyone else is.

So unless you are in SP...you're an ass/pig/greedy bastard/whatever?

Originally posted by littlesushi
There's a diffrence between going for Coffer Keys, and handling drops that are in the millions.

Which obviously you have no idea how to handle if you made this topic...

[poweryoga]

Having people that'll only help if they get something in return?

Your HNMLS is already dead.

[littlesushi]

Having people that'll only help if they get something in return?

Your HNMLS is already dead.

Yea, last LS I was in, was like that. And it died rather quickly.

Which obviously you have no idea how to handle if you made this topic...

Correct, that's why this thread is up. I'm asking now because if I do make on, I don't want it to be another PI.

[Mithrankittycat]

Points system or just plain keep track of attendance. Even if people don't get items or the LS doesn't win the pull, they earn credit for trying to help.

Good person to give items to:
Someone who will use the item at a hunt. The person goes to hunts regardless if there isn't something for them to lot on.

Bad person to give items to:
Doesn't show up to hunts on time even though they have no real-life scheduling conflicting. Only comes to hunts after the HNM is pulled. Doesn't hunt when there's nothing for them to lot on.

Even with attendance, you have to give some items to people who don't come to as many hunts as your top performers.


Selling the ring and splitting the gil would result in a crappy small amount of gil that gets burned up by chocobo fees. The mages with the highest attendance can /random for it. If the mage who wins the ring never hunts at serket again... well, you gave it to the wrong person =._.=;;;;

[PetriW]

Originally posted by littlesushi
There's a diffrence between going for Coffer Keys, and handling drops that are in the millions. Not an insult to your LS btw.

I don't really base this on FFXI HNM hunting but from previous mmoprg experiences. I spent over 2 years raiding in EQ, 1.5 years of those was in the top guild on the server 6 hours a day 6-7 days a week.
Trust me, I've seen high end loot distribution in action in a guild where it worked and I've read up on several different systems and I am aware the pros/cons of them.