Breeding a Hybrid Chocobo.

[Jei]

Re: Breeding a Hybrid Chocobo.

Thanks. I'm getting really impatient having to wait a whole month to try this >_<

[Sabaron]

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I posted earlier that, yes, I do believe the abilities are connected to stats, but I don't have any empirical evidence of such a connection--it just "fits".

WRT to learning... SolarWind will not and I assume can not learn Gallop. I've been drilling Impatient since I got it, but he won't pick it up despite having high Strength. I'm going to bet that Discernment is required to learn any ability regardless of whether or not having a high score in the related stat proves to boost this. From what I've seen, abilities are learned well at Impressive Discernment or better and you won't need more than just that, but I can't recall which abilities these were.

[Jei]

Re: Breeding a Hybrid Chocobo.

I got all 4 cards for free from my LS friends. 2 males, 2 females. But I was kinda inpatient, I got the 2 males a few days earlier than the females >.> So I bred them all with yellow mates.

I have 4 chocobo eggs on main/mules now at the same time. red father + yellow mother x2, and the opposite x2

/bow Piku and Sangre

Sabaron, what you think about abilities being connected to stats. A lot of people also share this believe that Gallop/Canter relates to Strength and Endurance. If I want my chocobo to have these 2 abilities, would be better idea to raise physical stats? Because in Wiki, it says Discernment affects the chance your chocobo can learn abilties.... Will discernment alone be anough to make the bird learn Gallop/Canter? I'm hoping my first generation bird would be able to learn them both >.> Not so concern aout strength.

And I hope my egg hatches into Red D:

[Sabaron]

Re: Breeding a Hybrid Chocobo.

If it is indeed possible to inherit two abilities, but also possible to inherit less than two, your best bet is to get multiple cards for the parents and discard chocobos that don't get both.

I doubt the seller would be terribly put off by a bulk purchase as the cards are only 500gil each. It's the stock your paying for, get your money's worth. Negotiate a deal that's fair and results in the maximum chance for High Quality. It's only fair to the seller that they be the exclusive card seller, so a screen-shot of each matchmaking and trading at the breeder would be nice to ensure that you aren't planning to sell his/her cards.

[Bricklayer]

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I'm convinced with your breeding plan now Sabaron.

One thing.... how many abilities can chocobo inherit from its parents? Can it inherit 2?

I was thinking about this too. If the chocobo only inherits one ability, you still have to raise discernment to get the other ability (presumably), which would make it hard to go back to str/end for speed.

[Jei]

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I'm convinced with your breeding plan now Sabaron.

One thing.... how many abilities can chocobo inherit from its parents? Can it inherit 2?

[Neomage]

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Those careplans aren't to effective, I used the "likely to be a male" 3 times and got females all 3....

[Jei]

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In front of the match maker now.... Red male, Yellow female

Sports plan - raises possibility that the male chocobo's trait will be inherited

I hope the colors will come >.>

[Sabaron]

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I have revised the procedure for production of a purebred line above. If interested, please review the changes.


Discernment is the best attribute to raise for breeding chocobos and for digging chocobos. For riding chocobos, as long as you can get the abilities inherited, it should be considered secondary to Strength/Endurance.

[Jei]

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hmm reading from wiki I thought Discernment is a good one to raise if I want to make a base chocobo with abilities :O

# Discernment: Affects the chocobo’s potential to learn abilities.
that's what wiki said. Is it also in S-E website? I don't know....

Onion's plan is actually pretty interesting if that's the case, raising specificly strength and discernment without interfering each others.

[Sabaron]

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I have no idea what they do except that they are both related to how the chocobo moves rather than to how it digs. Therefore, a riding chocobo with both might be nice depending. My theory is:

1. Gallop relates to strength and speed (e.g faster running: better speed to strength ratio)
2. Canter relates to endurance and riding time (e.g. more efficient running: better duration to endurance ratio)
3. Burrow relates to discernment (e.g. it allows the chocobo to pick out items that normal chocobos overlook--it provides an increased selection of digging items or more generally increases the "quality" of the dig)
4. Bore relates to receptivity (e.g. it allows the chocobo to "detect" buried items deeper beneath the surface to increase digging yield--"quantity")
5. Auto-regen is the odd-ball and relates to the chocobo's stables stamina bar and is utterly useless except during care phase.

Your chocobo cannot have more than two abilities, so if it inherits one it's stuck that way. This is why my plan calls for the division of the line into two lines--digging line and riding line. Obviously, the precursor "color only" cards can be used to make virgin chocobos. For the riding line, inheritance of ability is best because you won't have to raise mental attributes to make the chocobo learn Gallop/Canter. Inheritance on the digging line is merely a convenience since you have to learn one of the two stories (depending on your choice of stable) on a Long Walk.

[Jei]

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Finally, got 2 red male cards froma friend. I'm wondering if I should breed it with my yellow female... or find a red female and discard my previous chocobo entirely D:

A little question... if the chocobo inherit some abilities from its parents, will I still be able to teach 2 more?

What ability should I plan for my speed/riding chocobo to have :O? Any idea what Gallop and Canter do?

[Sabaron]

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I haven't tried yet since I want SolarWind to be 1st/1st before I retire him. I also want to use my LS to raise them (for more simultaneous stable slots), so I think we'll pick a color democratically.

[Jei]

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Sounds like a grand plan.
How are you collecting red chocobo cards? I shouted around whitegate and no one answered me today D:

[Sabaron]

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To Onionsoldier
I don't think your idea is bad--I haven't tested it, but it is one of the viable raising schemes I proposed a while back, so go with it and you'll probably get, at the very least, admirable results.
I'm going in a different direction with my next set of chocobos--see below.

To Jei
What I'm trying to say is that I've already tried similar plans to what you have described and the results are absolutely abysmal. If you try it I give you a 98% chance of failure at day 45 (the day I retired DuchesseRose, my "wide spectrum" chocobo). The only way to do a wide spectrum chocobo is according to Onionsoldier's proposed Tier III plan or by using only basic care, but experiment at your own risk. ^^ The "down" arrows are at the very least very similar in size to the up arrows as long as you're looking at the same "tier" careplan (enough that your care plans will cancel each other completely leaving you at Poor on all attributes). The difference between the tiers is order of magnitude. The medium arrows are approximately "an order of magnitude" bigger than the arrows of the tier below it as are the very big arrows--the very big arrows are extremely powerful.

Here are the tiers as I see them, numbered according to "order of magnitude".

Tier 0: Basic Care
Tier 1: Take a walk, Listen to music
Tier 2: Exericse alone, Exercise in group, Play with children, Play with Chocobos
Tier 3: Carry packages, Exhibit to the public
Tier 4: Deliver messages, Dig for treasure, Act in a play.

An "order of magnitude" is the "power" of some scalar:

2^5 (or two to the fifth power)

5 is the order of magnitude of the scalar (2). I don't know what the scalar is, but in order for the careplans to be worthwhile, they have to at least roughly follow this, and from my observations and various results posted here and elsewhere, it appears to be the case. Please note that I'm "iffy" on the Tier 1/Tier 2 group.

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1. A chocobo's attributes with respect to its color or lineage are relatively immaterial over the life of a chocobo as they can be made in any way you like (with obvious restrictions based on careplan).

2. A chocobo who does not have high mental abilities cannot learn special abilities such as Canter, Gallop, Bore, Burrow, and Auto-regen, but it can inherit these from its parents.

3. A chocobo's color is likely determined by breeding (as is hinted at by the breeding boy in Upper Jeuno).

Therefore, the best saleable chococards are (a) those that have one or more special abilities and (b) that are colored.
The best chocobo to create for breeding is a chocobo intended to possess abilities. From two parents with the same abilities, produce a third chocobo with the desired attribute grouping for riding. Ability chocobos are good at digging, but an ability chocobo without digging abilities (Bore/Burrow) is not a worthwhile riding chocobo.

Here is the proposed (next) careplan I'm working on.

Phase I: Selection for Color
1) Acquire multiple matched, colored chocobo cards with No Abilities (e.g. virgin color chocobos) or if not possible (too expensive) acquire eggs for my mules (using stealth meds to move to/from jeuno).

2) As soon as it is apparent that a given chocobo does not possess the desired color... Give it up to the stables.

3) If the color evident in the line isn't "perfect" (e.g. not all the progeny of the matched chocobos are the same color) then the generation is "tainted"--take the colored chocobos from the line at adulthood and rebreed asap--retiring the entire generation at maturity. Discard "runts" and continue the line by mating the progeny (yes, it's inbreeding but that's how pedigree dogs are made).

4) Once the line is purified, we have a genuine, pedigree line of colored ability chocobos.

5) Retain the virgin purebred color mating pair cards for sale and retire the line.

Phase II: Abilities
1) Using the purified color line, create a third line with two distinct breeding pairs (e.g. 2 male and 2 female). Discard any "extras".

2) Place both pairs on a strictly mental care plan and teach one pair Gallop/Canter and the other pair Bore/Burrow. Emphasis is placed on the acquisition of stories over care plan attribute maximization. Minimal mental attributes for story retention only.

3) Once the abilities are learned, retire the line.

Phase III: Maximization of attributes

1) Use the two purebred color/ability chocobo pairs to generate two more mating sets--one for G/C and the other B/B of course. Discarding extras to generate two breeding pairs (one pair of each type).

2) Focus on primary/secondary attribute maximization. Using a focused careplan, raise the relevant (mental/physical) attributes of the two breeding pairs to the "threshold level" after which using the Basic Care plan will result in maximization of the primary attributes and the secondary attributes. These chocobos will be the first line carried all the way to "forced retirement".

The process is now complete and we have two viable lines of pure-bred color/ability chocobos suitable for sale. Since we maximized the attributes of the chocobo's in the last phase, we should get excellent results from breeding subsequent generations.

Possible Problems

1. It is not possible to purify color to the point where there is a 100% probability that the color will be inherited.

2. It is possible that progeny will not inherit both (or even one) ability of the parents.